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Actually, just nitpicking, "QSL" means "I acknowledge receipt of your message".

Here's the real info from the originator, not a Ham version that has become distorted by common useage.

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When I first got into CB radio, there were very very few hobbies that one could really get involved with. Stamp collecting was one. TV back in the 50s outside of large cities was horrible to say the least. If one wasn`t into sports, then the option was Ham radio or SWL. CB took over because it was silly easy to set up. Whereas ham took a lot of time and money. Being young, and not in a wealthy family, ham was out. I did visit a number of hams who had radios and just loved it (not the CW however). Unfortunately today, there are just so many different hobbies, activities, travel, sports, internet that all compete for dollars and peoples time. Some hobbies have to change with the times. I am still interested in ham radio but still find that time is against me. I don`t just want to be another CB operator. Ham radio will be easy for people with electrical backgrounds, but difficult for others. Yes there is a steep learning curve if you come from outside the electrical field. As well, city lots now do not offer the easy set up of antenna farms. So compromise is always necessary. However, one area that should not be a compromise is in the correct operating procedures, rules and regulations. Unfortunately today, with a lot more people involved, one will find more and more people that abuse their privileges. Be it on the radio, or driving a vehicle. One is only as good as their commitment to operating within the rules. And heaven knows today, there are as many people (or more) that abuse the rules as there are that follow them in all walks of life today, not just Ham radio and driving.
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...why is it so important to use codes instead of plain English?
It's not. In professional communications, there is a trend away from codes. In the interest of interoperability, it's been found that different agencies use of various codes is inconsistent, hindering communications, not helping.

In ham radio, the Q signals are a holdover from CW.

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My guess is to keep the conversation short and concise, so to not hog the channel and maximize the number of people that can share a channel.
Depends. Things like Q signals developed as a way, not to share the channel, but to speed transmission of standard message segments.

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But it was also interesting that I didn't find anyone in my age group. That was a bit of a downer.
What's your age group?

You do realize that if you get licensed, and join a club, the next guy in your age group won't be able to say that? Yes, the ham population is aging. Yes, it's perceived as a problem. Become part of the solution instead of lamenting that the problem exists.

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As much as I enjoy learning about this, I feel slightly out of place. Is there a lack of participation from younger generations in HAM radio?
I don't know how true that really is. People sure seem to think there's a problem. But almost 40 years ago when I was first licensed, there weren't many people my age. It didn't stop me from having fun with it. I'm I'm a long way from being the youngest ham in the circles I run around in, so maybe it's not as bad as we seem to think. It just is what it is... ham radio is mostly an older person's hobby, always has been, always will be, and occasionally younger people get involved.

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I understand this hobby dates way back, before the internet, and I can see how it can be really useful to talk to people around the world. But today there are just far better communication methods to stay in touch across the globe, so perhaps that’s why not a lot of young people are into this anymore?
Maybe. So, back before the internet, ham radio was THE way to talk around the world. Now, it's just another way. So, we change the reasons for doing it. Instead of it being the only method, it can become the most fun method. Do it because it's fun, not because you have to.

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Thinking about this further, are the protocols and procedures in place for HAM radio still makes sense? Can anything be done to bring it to a wider/younger audience?
Yes. Bring it to maker fairs and show how you can build stuff.

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For example, I understand there’s really no privacy in communication. The sub-channel I am familiar with on FRS are just a squelch control tone. Only one conversation can happen on a particular channel (hence all these protocols to make sure channels are not abused..) But how about some technical solutions to remove these limitations?
It's been done. That's not the problem. What good do new digital modes that offer interesting features when non-hams aren't paying attention to it in the first place?

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The problem is very similar to Ethernet communication. Shared communication medium (cable), everyone hears everyone else’s conversation...
But the ad hoc communications capability of ham radio where everyone can hear everyone else is one of ham radio's unique strengths that's no longer available in many other more modern communications technologies.

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So is something like this possible on HAM radio? To allow multiple conversation to happen on one channel?
To some degree, yes. But it's not really solving any particular problems that ham radio has. All those channel multiplexing schemes you see with the cellular networks, for example, are there to solve a particular problem - a shortage of spectrum coupled with high demand. Ham radio simply doesn't have that problem. You want to have a conversation where you're not sharing the frequency? Turn the dial, switch bands, switch modes. There WILL be a frequency you can operate on that's not previously occupied.

So, multiplexing conversations on one channel would amount to little more than a neat parlour trick for ham radio. One that's been done. And it's not the edge that's needed to bring more youngsters into the hobby.

What's needed is for us hams to convey to younger people that it's still actually fun. Especially now. There are some fascinating aspects of ham radio that get the attention of about 0.1% of hams.
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Excellent post zz. Said a lot of things I was thinking.
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I have a practical question on how to extend 2-way radio range.

A friend took a standard 2-way radio to Yellow Stone, for purpose of keeping communication between 2 cars. He told me that it was kind of useless, because the range was too short. I don’t know how far the 2 cars are apart, but I imagine it’s your typical 2 car trip on a highway kind of thing (say no more than 5-10 miles at most and often can see each other..)

Would one be able to improve this situation with a HAM license? If so, how?

What do the park rangers use? (frequency, power, etc..) I imagine something similar to what they use should be fine, but what exactly?

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"Q" codes were developed by the ITU to enable operators of different nationalities to communicate and be understood by each other - remember, they were just message handlers - the text of the message may have meant absolutely nothing to the operator, but he had to be able to request repeats and confirmation that he had received the message and ask for any others from a station that may not speak English or any other common language. This is easily done with the "Q" code system.

Just be thankful that most hams speak English - but they will be very happy if you can speak a bit of their language - not that you're going to contact many overseas stations with a handy-talkie. But if you take the time to learn CW, then you'll find that the "Q" code is still in use as a sort of 'universal language'.
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Ah, that's very good to know. A very legitimate reason indeed. Thank you!
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Goose good luck and I hope you begin your exploratation with amateur radio!! I'm 48 years old and just got my ticket last September and can't wait to continue!! I need to dive back in my book at attempt to get general so I can get on the HF's and set up a base station in my house and try and work the world. But for right now I have a blast with my little 5 watt HT and talking on the local repeater. If you have any questions PM me and I will try to help you out in any way! The best thing I did so far was join my local radio club they welcomed me with open arms!!!
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I have a practical question on how to extend 2-way radio range.

A friend took a standard 2-way radio to Yellow Stone, for purpose of keeping communication between 2 cars. He told me that it was kind of useless, because the range was too short. I don’t know how far the 2 cars are apart, but I imagine it’s your typical 2 car trip on a highway kind of thing (say no more than 5-10 miles at most and often can see each other..)

Would one be able to improve this situation with a HAM license? If so, how?

What do the park rangers use? (frequency, power, etc..) I imagine something similar to what they use should be fine, but what exactly?

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A tech ticket will allow 70 watts right from the radio. big improvement over other radios.

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A tech ticket will allow 70 watts right from the radio. big improvement over other radios.
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What kind of equipment am I looking at for that kind of transmit power? I can't find anything portable that offers more than 5w on amazon.. Maybe I am not searching the right keywords...
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What kind of equipment am I looking at for that kind of transmit power? I can't find anything portable that offers more than 5w on amazon.. Maybe I am not searching the right keywords...
Anything that puts out 70 watts is unlikely to be portable. Most mobile radios are designed for cars and put out around 50 watts or so on two meters.
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Anything that puts out 70 watts is unlikely to be portable. Most mobile radios are designed for cars and put out around 50 watts or so on two meters.
OOPS my bad i missed it by 5 watts. here is a link for such a radio.

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