BOLO Broadcast on NYSP Troop F

[CqDx]

Just heard a broadcast regarding a lookout for a suspect originating from Newburgh Police. I am located in New York City and Newburgh is about 80 miles away from my home and I don't think the signal is able to go that far. I hear Middletown station on Troop F most often but that's about it.

My question is, for those who monitors Troop F often, do they really transmit from Newburgh? Or do they have a transmitter closer?

[sc8]

As far as I know, all of Troop F's towers are in Orange County, with the exception of one in Rockland County that SP Monroe uses to dispatch Havestraw (Palisades Interstate Parkway) patrols.

When you say you hear SP Middletown, which is Troop F headquarters, most often, is it on the Troop F frequency 155.535, or is it on the Statewide frequency of 154.695? If it is the second case, they may be simulcasting over multiple towers throughout the state, but don't quote me on that.

[CqDx]

Originally Posted by sc8

As far as I know, all of Troop F's towers are in Orange County, with the exception of one in Rockland County that SP Monroe uses to dispatch Havestraw (Palisades Interstate Parkway) patrols.

When you say you hear SP Middletown, which is Troop F headquarters, most often, is it on the Troop F frequency 155.535, or is it on the Statewide frequency of 154.695? If it is the second case, they may be simulcasting over multiple towers throughout the state, but don't quote me on that.

It was 155.535, so I suppose it comes form Middletown, I suppose they can simulcast from Newburgh to Middletown than..

I knew there has to be a tower in Rockland, once in a while I hear F booming in here but never paid much attention to the traffic.

Do you know if Troop K has a similar setup? It seems they are a lot quieter than F or L. I am not sure if it is my antenna setup or just the nature of it.

[sc8]

Actually, all of the Troop F stations that have dispatchers, in Orange County that is Middletown, Newburgh*, and Monroe transmit over 155.535. All transmissions are simulcast over all towers that have that frequency. Up here in Orange County, I frequently hear SP Kingston, Highlands, or Liberty come booming in.


I assume it works the same way for Troop K and L, but I am not sure.


Also, the reason I put an asterisk next to Newburgh is because earlier this year that barracks moved, and is now identified as SP Montgomery.

[CqDx]

Originally Posted by sc8

Actually, all of the Troop F stations that have dispatchers, in Orange County that is Middletown, Newburgh*, and Monroe transmit over 155.535. All transmissions are simulcast over all towers that have that frequency. Up here in Orange County, I frequently hear SP Kingston, Highlands, or Liberty come booming in.


I assume it works the same way for Troop K and L, but I am not sure.


Also, the reason I put an asterisk next to Newburgh is because earlier this year that barracks moved, and is now identified as SP Montgomery.

By the same token, do individual police departments have ability to transmit over SP frequencies? (For example, broadcast for pursuit..etc)

Thanks

[Chauffeur6]

Originally Posted by sc8

All transmissions are simulcast over all towers that have that frequency.

Normal transmissions on 155.535 are not simulcast. Local barracks use the local towers, or whichever tower their car is hitting best in some cases. There are several towers around Orange, and in Stony Point on Jackie Jones Mtn in Rockland for the PIP cars. Now it's possible that they occasionally simulcast on 155.535 for BOLO's, but it's definitely not the norm. I believe they do simulcast on 154.695, because it always sounds like crap, which leads me to believe the towers are interfering with each other to some extent. Haven't had the opportunity to definitively check for myself, however.

Originally Posted by CqDx

By the same token, do individual police departments have ability to transmit over SP frequencies? (For example, broadcast for pursuit..etc)

Not generally, no. I really can't think of an example where a local PD has the ability to operate on SP frequencies. It's generally the SP units that operate on local/county frequencies, such as Rockland's countywide repeater or Orange's MRD/911 Polling channels.

[CqDx]

Great info,

Thank you guys!

[sc8]

Actually, there are some local police departments that CAN transmit over SP frequencies, because they are dispatched by them. You can identify them by their car numbers/radio callsigns which are preceeded by 7 and then the letter of the troop.

For example: Town of Deerpark Police 7F221 to 7F229
Village of Kyras Joel Public Safety 7F508

[Chauffeur6]

Originally Posted by sc8

Actually, there are some local police departments that CAN transmit over SP frequencies, because they are dispatched by them. You can identify them by their car numbers/radio callsigns which are preceeded by 7 and then the letter of the troop.

For example: Town of Deerpark Police 7F221 to 7F229
Village of Kyras Joel Public Safety 7F508

Sorry, I should've been clearer in my post. I was referring to agencies that are not directly dispatched by SP, which I took to be a no-brainer that yes, they would obviously have to operate on the SP frequencies. I made the assumption that the OP was asking about all the other agencies and their ability to operate on SP frequencies, which my post addressed. But, for the benefit of people reading this thread who may otherwise not understand how it works, I'll clarify:

The only agencies that operate on SP frequencies are those which are actually dispatched by the SP. All other communication between the SP and surrounding agencies is done via interop frequencies, which in OC and RC translates to county frequencies.

[e911god]

If you are hearing SP Middletown on the Troop frequency, you are most likely hearing them off Schunnemunk tower, It sits at about 1700 feet in Orange County and they are putting out a good amount of wattage on VHF... I get them clear as day at Newark Airport on a mobile.

For bolos, sometimes they will simul-select Jackie Jones in Rockalnd as well for the SP Haverstraw units that cover the the PIP to the NJ line. Rockland County "Headquarters" has a repeater at the same site and it's full quieting all the way down to the city.

Elevation plus power equals distance.

[Chauffeur6]

Originally Posted by e911god

Rockland County "Headquarters" has a repeater at the same site and it's full quieting all the way down to the city.

Elevation plus power equals distance.

That repeater is running 100 watts out of the PA, which drops to around 70 watts out of the duplexer, which then travels the 300' or so up the tower to the 5.14 dB gain antenna. Just goes to show what a great site Jackie Jones is, at around 1,250' elevation plus the height of the tower itself, gets you near 1,500' all said and done.

[jmv3085]

Not sure if your refering just to Orange and Rockland Counties, but in Troop G especially Washington County most of the police units have the troop and Emergency channel but are not directly dispatched by the SP.

[sc8]

When you say they have the troop and emergency frequencies, do you mean they have them on scan in their radios, or that they are actually allowed to talk on them?

Pretty much everyone in the county, including the Sheriff's Office has the frequencies in their radios, but only departments dispatched by them are allowed to talk on them.

[jmv3085]

In G they are authorized to transmit and have seperate identifiers for the troop channels.

[sc8]

I just checked on Dave's NF2G website, and it says that the Clifton Park Security Patrol, Corinth PD, South Glenn Falls PD, Stillwater PD, and Washington County SO have 7G### numbers. a 7 preceeding the troop letter means departments that are dispatched by the NYSP, which is why they have the capabilities of talking to them*. What departments are you hearing that are communicating directly with SP?

*Note: Another possibility is that a department was at one time dispatched by SP but now has their own dispatchers. Often times the department keeps the old radios, and thus the capabilities of communicating directly with SP.

[jmv3085]

I work for Whitehall PD we are never dispatched by SP-Wilton or have we ever been. We have SP identifiers to use on troop channels 7G231-7G234, also the sheriffs department is never dispatched on troop they are about 98 % dispatched by Washington County DPS, with Wilton occaisonaly polling a call they recieve, but both are done on Washington County MRD. Their 300 series number becomes 7G5XX when talking to WIlton, Cambridge-Greenwich PD are not dispatched by SP but have identifiers of 8G110-8G115 that they use if on troop channels or talking to Wilton on Washingtion county. Hoosick Falls PD in Rensselaer county has there own dispatch but have identifiers for SP channels 7G130-7G134. I dont know about the others but in Whitehall the only channel we are not authorized on is "data."


The agencies you listed are "dispatched" by SP-Wilton and are heard very frequently on troop channels.

[SCANdal]

chauffer6 and sc8,

jmv3085 is correct in that there is no "mandate" that an agency must be (or have been at one time) dispatched by the DSP in order to operate on DSP channels (i.e.: car-to-car, Troop, State, etc.). Operational needs determine that. Aside from other state agencies (DEC, DMV, etc.), there are many local agencies that can come up on DSP channels. The typical example of that in Orange is the Village of Monroe Police. The Village, surrounded on almost all sides by the Town of Monroe - which is patrolled by SP Monroe units - has the capability for SP channels and use their local "45#" IDs when on their air. Also, certain VHF equipped NYPD units also have DSP radio channels in their radios for direct interops and joint task force work and use traditional 7_## IDs.

SCANdal

[e911god]

I know that several unnamed three-letter federal agencies in NY and NJ also have all of the NYSP channels in their radios, all capable of transmit in the Troop F, K and L areas.