11/29/12 Cleveland PD Chase & Shooting

[a388sig2]

I took all the recorded audio from CPD D1, D2, D3 and D5.

Put all the recordings in a time line, and sync'd them up to the same times.

It's very sad. The legacy radios fail on them, there's no patches, there's not even directives to all communicate on a single talkgroup. Instead, it's on the dispatchers to listen to other district's traffic and relay to their units. I think that's how you end up with what Bratenahl PD described as over "20 cars" giving chase and "hundreds" of CPD officers on scene.

We all know CPD is due for the new P-25 system, but does it really do any good if they don't implement a plan in how to use it effectively in critical incidents?

[kf8yk]

Originally Posted by a388sig2

I took all the recorded audio from CPD D1, D2, D3 and D5.

For anyone else that wants to listen here's a link to the recordings: Listen to Cleveland police radio transmissions of chase | cleveland.com

[wa8pyr]

Originally Posted by a388sig2

We all know CPD is due for the new P-25 system, but does it really do any good if they don't implement a plan in how to use it effectively in critical incidents?

Sadly, that's a common problem no matter what radio system agencies are using. Even in areas where everyone is already equipped to communicate directly with one another (from a technical standpoint) they don't do it, due to either poor training and education, or a complete unwillingness to do so (due to turf wars, outdated mindset, and so on).

The multi-billion $$ "nationwide broadband system" that the FCC and industry publications are touting as the cure for all the ills probably won't make much difference other than close a few technology gaps. Even if it does get off the ground and ends up with the kind of flawless coverage it will need, training, education and mindset will still be there throwing a wrench into the works.

[a388sig2]

Originally Posted by wa8pyr

Sadly, that's a common problem no matter what radio system agencies are using. Even in areas where everyone is already equipped to communicate directly with one another (from a technical standpoint) they don't do it, due to either poor training and education, or a complete unwillingness to do so (due to turf wars, outdated mindset, and so on).

The multi-billion $$ "nationwide broadband system" that the FCC and industry publications are touting as the cure for all the ills probably won't make much difference other than close a few technology gaps. Even if it does get off the ground and ends up with the kind of flawless coverage it will need, training, education and mindset will still be there throwing a wrench into the works.

Exactly right.

Everything brought up about 9/11 and the need for interoperability has left us with billions in spending and very little change in the way first responders communicate.

[wa8pyr]

Originally Posted by a388sig2

Exactly right.

Everything brought up about 9/11 and the need for interoperability has left us with billions in spending and very little change in the way first responders communicate.

Some areas (including Columbus, Cincinnati, Dayton and Toledo) are making excellent progress. Cleveland/Cuyahoga County unfortunately has quite a way to go; they're making major leaps and bounds on the technical front with the P25 systems going in (and agencies jumping on board, as was hoped), but the single biggest stumbling block is still going to be the go-it-alone attitude.

In Franklin County, fire/EMS has been right on the ball all along, but it's taken us 20 years to get past that mindset for law enforcement; we've just implemented a countywide law enforcement radio channel plan, so we're getting close.