City of Cleveland Project 25 TRS

[Steveofcleve]

Hearing a lot of traffic (testing) of new radios using this talk group. It appears this will be an additional talk group for the Cleveland Muni Courts for emergencies. Still monitoring.

[GHF]

Why is PD WILLOUGHBY HILLS showing up on TG 56255?

Note: Radio ID’s match the Cuy/Lake/Geauga system.

I’m lost on this….

[radios4bill]

I don't know what scanner you are using but I would check if you have that Talkgroup assigned to more than one List, Group or System.

[budevans]

Originally Posted by GHF

Why is PD WILLOUGHBY HILLS showing up on TG 56255?

Note: Radio ID’s match the Cuy/Lake/Geauga system.

I’m lost on this….

You heard Willoughby Hills PD traffic on TG56255 on Cleveland P25? Their radio ID's started with 43?

If so it could be a Patch to the MARCS-IP system.

[kd8mvc]

News Channel 5 had on news today about Cleveland P25 System.
Implementation of new Cleveland radio communication system under way

[GHF]

I have a Pro 197 and tracking with ID Tracker III- V1.13.1 version.

TG 56255 showed up on the P25 Cleveland System and logging Radio ID’s as assigned to Willoughby Hills PD. (New P25 Geauga, Lake and Cuy System)..
Radio ID’s heard are (4338039,048,053 and 060)

These Hits showed up on 868.7625 which is a Geauga, Lake and Cuy Freq..

No idea as to how it got into the Trunker program as I only have CC’s programmed in either system in the radio (pro 197)..

Now hearing a Cleveland unknown TG 56255 on the P25 Cleveland System using I believe the Cleveland Radio ID’s…….(1823467,482 and 484)

I can’t tell you why this happened but just reporting what occurred.

Any Ideas????

[kd8gpm]

Originally Posted by kd8mvc

News Channel 5 had on news today about Cleveland P25 System.
Implementation of new Cleveland radio communication system under way

Press release.
Implementation of Greater Cleveland Radio Communication Network well underway | Cleveland Safety

The new state-of-the-art Motorola 800 MHz ASTRO 25 7.11 IP system will replace an aging communications system originally put into service in 1993.

The new system will have redundancy, interoperability with other communication systems, the capacity for 12,000 City and regional users, and includes 14 tower sites located throughout the region.

Phase 1 of coverage testing was completed in August 2012 and following a successful test, the new system went “live” in October 2012 with the following departments and agencies:

Traffic Engineering
Waste Collection
Motor Vehicle Maintenance
Division of Streets
Municipal Court Bailiffs
Housing Court
Clerk of Courts
Park Maintenance
Animal Control Services
Cuyahoga County Sheriff

[GHF]

This may be park maintence group.

Radio id's (1822602, 603 and 604)

any help on this???

[KWs]

Re; the news release, we should change the database name for this system to:
Greater Cleveland Radio Communication Network.

[wa8pyr]

Originally Posted by KWs

Re; the news release, we should change the database name for this system to:
Greater Cleveland Radio Communication Network.

That implies a countywide aspect which it doesn't have. If a considerably wider area other than the City of Cleveland and the Sheriff utilize the system, we'll consider it.

Right now it appears that this system will be mostly limited to the City of Cleveland as is the current (old) system, with the rest of the county divided up between SWRCN, MARCS-IP and Parma. So "Greater Cleveland" would actually be a misnomer.

[Steveofcleve]

The County Sheriff does cover the "Greater Cleveland" area as it covers the entire county which Cleveland is in. Cleveland just happens to be the predominant city in the county and the agency that appears to be running the new system.

[KWs]

Hmmm .. Instead of labeling it the official name, it makes more sense to make up a name and use that.
Not sure I follow that line of thinking.

[Swipesy]

I agree with Tom Swisher. 90% of this radio system will be used by the City of Cleveland and its departments. Just because the Cuyahoga Sheriff will use a small piece of it and the Cuyahoga County Justice Center Building is in the same building as the Main City of Cleveland Police Department is not justification to label it a Greater Cleveland Area Wide System. Of course nothing prevents the individual user from naming the system anything they want on their personal scanners.

John

[16b]

Originally Posted by Swipesy

I agree with Tom Swisher. 90% of this radio system will be used by the City of Cleveland and its departments. Just because the Cuyahoga Sheriff will use a small piece of it and the Cuyahoga County Justice Center Building is in the same building as the Main City of Cleveland Police Department is not justification to label it a Greater Cleveland Area Wide System.

Did you read the press release?

KWs wasn't pulling that name out of nowhere; it's what the system is called! If you don't think the name is justified, contact the City of Cleveland.

[Swipesy]

Originally Posted by 16b

Did you read the press release?

KWs wasn't pulling that name out of nowhere; it's what the system is called! If you don't think the name is justified, contact the City of Cleveland.

Yup sure did read the press release. But what you need to understand is the "Greater Cleveland Area". The system that Cleveland is implementing and paying for is primarily for The City Of Cleveland's use. Surrounding the City of Cleveland are numerous other P-25 Systems such as Parma P-25, MARCS P-25,
Lake County P-25 and the SWARN systems. What has been discussed for several years is that all these individual systems will be able to communicate with each other. So where Cleveland's new system is going is that it will serve 90% of Cleveland proper, some Cuyahoga County services AND be able to talk to Lake, Parma, etc. So call it what you want but this System will be a Cleveland proper system with capabilities to talk to Greater Cleveland systems.

[Steveofcleve]

Hearing radio testing and responses as to 'modulation' and clarity. No idea who but range appears to be within Cleveland talk group assignments.

[mrlightfoot]

working on parks/parks maintance now

[wa8pyr]

Originally Posted by Swipesy

Yup sure did read the press release. But what you need to understand is the "Greater Cleveland Area". The system that Cleveland is implementing and paying for is primarily for The City Of Cleveland's use. Surrounding the City of Cleveland are numerous other P-25 Systems such as Parma P-25, MARCS P-25, Lake County P-25 and the SWARN systems. What has been discussed for several years is that all these individual systems will be able to communicate with each other. So where Cleveland's new system is going is that it will serve 90% of Cleveland proper, some Cuyahoga County services AND be able to talk to Lake, Parma, etc. So call it what you want but this System will be a Cleveland proper system with capabilities to talk to Greater Cleveland systems.

To my knowledge the Cleveland system has no "official" name and is simply the "City of Cleveland" radio system. I've never heard any of the guys from there mention one at the Ohio SIEC meetings; in fact, they usually just call it the "Cleveland system." The latest information I have is that it's intended to cover the City of Cleveland, with coverage of the rest of the county by MARCS-IP, SWRCN and Parma. All of those systems will most likely be interconnected in the future for interoperability purposes, though.

That GCRCN name may be something that the PR folks pulled out of thin air because it sounds pretty. I'll investigate with the guys from Cleveland and see if that actually is the official name; as independent as some folks tend to be in Cuyahoga County I suspect they might object to it being called that if it really isn't supposed to cover the whole county.

We'll leave it as-is pending more information.

[Swipesy]

Of greater importance to me than the name will be whether or not we scanner hobbyist will once again be able to listen to Cleveland police and fire after a very long exclusion.

[trunker101]

Originally Posted by kd8mvc

News Channel 5 had on news today about Cleveland P25 System.
Implementation of new Cleveland radio communication system under way

Are they referencing the second phase? As phase 2 trunking T.D.M.A? Or just getting these agencies on board with p25 phase 1? Seems after T.D.M.A they are pulling the switch and going to Digital Encryption such as the South West Regional System used by Strongsville and Middleburg Heights at this time in full digital encryption.The reason I make such a prediction is due to the type of Radio's I noticed Motorola APX and Harris Unity are big dollar radio's. The Harris alone are going for 5k on Flea bay without T.D.M.A. I bet that portable behind the desk at the Justice Center Checkpoint is no less the that. And if every Deputy plans on putting one of those modern bricks on their side throughout the county even before you factor in the car mobiles your talking BIG COIN! APX dual band radios from Mother Motorola aren't any cheaper. Here we are with are Uniden T AND XT and GRE PSR or whatever you have DSD and an old Radio Shack scanner with a tap? And we get pretty decent signal if in the right area. However I noticed when traveling with the scanner throughout the west and east side it's very limited coverage and is hit and miss. It's too bad these scanner manufacturers can't come up with something that has a sensitive receiver like the real radio.