My 2 CYYZ Feeds are going offline as of October 15th...

[exkalibur]

Win/Win for someone I'd say.

I had considered putting up a feed of some local railway stuff in the Toronto area however have since changed my mind as a result of this. I'll continue my RR premium subscription (infact, I just renewed for a year a week ago) but I won't be spending a dollar on Broadcastify. The archives are the only reason I'd consider it.

[Chrome69]

for me the main reason i got out of the feeds, was cost vs headaches. I know theirs a argument for cost but if you think about it a monthly bandwidth cost is about $10 and hydro if running a desktop is $30 a month. If you can use a netbook and cut the cost in half so instead of $40 it would be $25 a month. So you get a premium account access provided your feed is up and running. Of course that doesn't help if by chance your feed crashes and you need access to the database through your software. lol

So now Lindsay will be taking away that perk and offering free access to the Broadcastify site. wow

I myself have lost that warm and fuzzy felling doing a feed a long time ago. Thats my opinion, and if the weatherman in Michigan doesn't like my opinion he can surf back to his own state forum and stay out of the Ontario one.

[rdale]

Originally Posted by Chrome69

for me the main reason i got out of the feeds, was cost vs headaches. I know theirs a argument for cost but if you think about it a monthly bandwidth cost is about $10 and hydro if running a desktop is $30 a month.

Wow - I had no idea it cost that much! My entire household electric bill is less than $100. And it doesn't cost a penny for the bandwidth since most US sources aren't metered. So if a stream costs you $10, that would put your regular internet at about $200 per month?

If you can use a netbook and cut the cost in half so instead of $40 it would be $25 a month.

That blows my mind. What is your typical household electric bill?

Thats my opinion

As we've seen, your opinions are usually not clouded by facts (i.e. the part where you said they were charging to hear feeds.)

and if the weatherman in Michigan doesn't like my opinion he can surf back to his own state forum and stay out of the Ontario one.

Wow - getting a little testy. As you may note if you read back, this thread is about CYYZ feeds going away. I expressed my thanks to the feed provider and regret at the loss. Others decided to turn this into their personal rant about Broadcastify...

[K4IHS]

Anyway you look at it... electricity + digital scanner + computer + internet provider = not cheap.

[rdale]

Originally Posted by K4IHS

Anyway you look at it... electricity + digital scanner + computer + internet provider = not cheap.

No, electricity for the computer I have up 24/7 is already being paid for the other reasons, the scanner was bought for other reasons, the computer already was here, and the ISP doesn't charge me a penny to add streaming. I'd bet there are very few that put up a PC and bought a scanner just for RadioReference, but my hat is off to them if they did.

[JoeyC]

Originally Posted by K4IHS

Anyway you look at it... electricity + digital scanner + computer + internet provider = not cheap.

No, but what IS cheap is providing your feed on Broadcastify. Otherwise you PAY for bandwidth usage on another provider.

SO, if you want to provide a feed you can either go the cheap/inexpensive route and use Broadcastify. or you can go the more expensive route and pay another provider to host and provide the service.

No one is under any obligation to provide a feed.

[tonsoffun]

Jason,I am always listening to your very clear feeds and hope you will continue to do so.I always thought feed providers putting a feed up was for others to enjoy listening to there feed, whats the difference on what site its going to be on as long as people enjoy it.

[K4IHS]

You guys are sooooooo lucky! All of my stuff cost me money.

[02blackss]

Originally Posted by tonsoffun

Jason,I am always listening to your very clear feeds and hope you will continue to do so.I always thought feed providers putting a feed up was for others to enjoy listening to there feed, whats the difference on what site its going to be on as long as people enjoy it.

I have been asked by many to keep the feeds up while switching over to broadcastify...still on the fence about it now....lets see how smooth this transition goes.....My stats are just not showing enough people to make it worthwhile im afraid....

[gfdfortynine]

Originally Posted by 02blackss

I have been asked by many to keep the feeds up while switching over to broadcastify...still on the fence about it now....lets see how smooth this transition goes.....My stats are just not showing enough people to make it worthwhile im afraid....

Keep the feeds. Your feeds are new so many folks probably don't know they exist.
Originally I added my feed so other firefighters on my dept could monitor while at work. Other firefighters in area found out I had capabilities to host so I added more frequencies. Now I'm carrying 3 counties and still not very many listeners. I host voice page to text for my dept., and alpha page to text for another. All this is at my cost and I do this WHY???? I enjoy it and I suspect you do too

[Lexxx]

Originally Posted by 02blackss

I have been asked by many to keep the feeds up while switching over to broadcastify...still on the fence about it now....lets see how smooth this transition goes.....My stats are just not showing enough people to make it worthwhile im afraid....

Couple of things. You need to add Toronto Approach to your feed. Just the tower is not enough in my opinion.

Next you need to go to the LiveATC.net website, get on their forum and tell eveyone about the feed. You could also stream your feed to LiveATC as well.

RR suggested this to me with the feeds I have with LiveATC. They have no problem with you streaming to other streaming organizations.

Your feed is good and you'll easily get plenty of listeners, but you have to let the aviation junkies over there know about what you have.

Good luck

[glennradio]

Jason, I joined RR years ago and maintained paid membership up until April of this year when I put up the Halton audio feed. I still had two months of paid membership remaining (or so I thought) because becoming an audio feed provider, your membership was covered. Halton was running EDACs at the time and a derailment on the VIA line had occurred earlier in the year when Halton was not covered by audio. The region was in the process of upgrading to a P25 digital signal, and so a great amount of research went into surveying the upcoming structure. When the change took place, I had preloaded a BCD996XT and switched to the digital format in 1 minute on the audio feed. That now took my digital scanner out of my service and enjoyment and placed it into RR audio service. I upgraded my antenna system with a 10 element yagi and had earlier purchased a UPS to ensure a feed if the power went down. There were other costs as well, but for me, joining the RR audio community and providing the audio to the RR crowd that helped develop the Halton database and many many other databases, was a contribution I didn't mind making at the time. The free membership was a very small reward, however was much appreciated. I pulled my feed down on October 7th and within hours my membership with RR was gone and I was not credited with what I thought would be two months remaining on my paid membership. That was the thanks I received for the service provided and research time invested. I will not provide a free feed to Broadcastify as it provides nothing that I will use. I won't provide a feed to Broadcastify and help Lindsay justify the switch over. Halton will leave a gap west of Toronto and I hope that others will see the logic in NOT providing their feeds. I notice that although RR cancelled my membership same day, they have left the Halton feed on the map as if it has not shut down but only shows as offline. Is this for illusional purposes to mislead the public into thinking it, and many of the other dropped feeds are coming back? Who knows, but it will become more interesting come next year when those providing feeds and want to use RR realize that they are no longer members and have to pay up or enter their data manually. I rejoined RR with a paid membership again and now I have a digital scanner back in use to monitor whatever I please. In the end it was an expensive 5 months of exploration into providing an audio feed, exciting in the beginning, but a learning experience that I feel burned by.

[burner50]

Originally Posted by K4IHS

Anyway you look at it... electricity + digital scanner + computer + internet provider = not cheap.

which are all costs that you would have anyway aren't they?

Or are you trying to say that feed providers would get rid of their Electricity, Scanners, computers, and internet connection if they didn't provide a feed?

Personally, I just started a feed because people on the forums were requesting it. That was the only motivation required... People wanted it, and I had the ability to provide it. Nothing more, nothing less.

[rdale]

Originally Posted by glennradio

notice that although RR cancelled my membership same day, they have left the Halton feed on the map as if it has not shut down but only shows as offline. Is this for illusional purposes to mislead the public into thinking it, and many of the other dropped feeds are coming back?

No, there is a time limit (2 weeks I think?) after which the feed gets totally dropped automatically.

[02blackss]

Originally Posted by Lexxx

Couple of things. You need to add Toronto Approach to your feed. Just the tower is not enough in my opinion.

Next you need to go to the LiveATC.net website, get on their forum and tell eveyone about the feed. You could also stream your feed to LiveATC as well.

RR suggested this to me with the feeds I have with LiveATC. They have no problem with you streaming to other streaming organizations.

Your feed is good and you'll easily get plenty of listeners, but you have to let the aviation junkies over there know about what you have.

Good luck

I can easily add approach/departure in about 5 seconds, but how busy do you want it to be? I think alot of the conversation will get lost switching between all the channels?

And the feed better be good, its up almost 130Feet

So I added both departure and approach to try it out...

As far as LiveATC.net..they already have a feed for tower/approach etc..........no point adding another I guess?


regards,

[K4IHS]

For RR and burner50 to imply it doesn't cost a stream provider anything to provide a stream is insulting to everyone that provides a stream!

[polkaroo]

Originally Posted by burner50

which are all costs that you would have anyway aren't they?

Or are you trying to say that feed providers would get rid of their Electricity, Scanners, computers, and internet connection if they didn't provide a feed?

Personally, I just started a feed because people on the forums were requesting it. That was the only motivation required... People wanted it, and I had the ability to provide it. Nothing more, nothing less.

There's charity out of goodwill so others less fortunate may benefit, then there's "charity" with others profiting off the back of your dedication to the hobby - you foot the bill to buy a scanner, computer, use your own electricity and internet pipe. The provider had the benefit of access to the RR database at the "suggested price" of $30/yr - but in fact, no money changed hands at all. So is it worth $30? Now with Broadcastify, you get access to the archives for a value of $6.95/month. Still, the amount is intangible since no money actually changes hands - what if Lindsay paid each provider $6.95/month?

[Chrome69]

hmm where to begin, according to Mississauga Hydro they tell us a typical desktop computer running 24/7 uses $1 a day in hydro I don't necessary agree with that. Yes your going to pay for your internet connection regardless of a feed or not, but a feed must absorb some of that cost. For myself i considered it 1/6 of the cost ($60 a month for internet) So that's where i get the $10. I never even considered the scanner/radio aspect. But to say a feed cost nothing is pure BS! Would i run my computer 24/7 or my radios? No! But to say i have them going for other reasons so it costs nothing is being stupid, a feed still would have to account for some of the cost...

Now their are ways to cut the costs down (eg. net book instead of a desktop) Is it cheaper to do this in the states? Maybe, BTW my hydro bill is monthly $185, hydro isn't cheap here in Ontario, we have to pay for all their debt and screw ups...

02blackass best of luck with whatever you decide with your own feed.

[02blackss]

Originally Posted by Chrome69

hmm where to begin, according to Mississauga Hydro they tell us a typical desktop computer running 24/7 uses $1 a day in hydro I don't necessary agree with that. Yes your going to pay for your internet connection regardless of a feed or not, but a feed must absorb some of that cost. For myself i considered it 1/6 of the cost ($60 a month for internet) So that's where i get the $10. I never even considered the scanner/radio aspect. But to say a feed cost nothing is pure BS! Would i run my computer 24/7 or my radios? No! But to say i have them going for other reasons so it costs nothing is being stupid, a feed still would have to account for some of the cost...

Now their are ways to cut the costs down (eg. net book instead of a desktop) Is it cheaper to do this in the states? Maybe, BTW my hydro bill is monthly $185, hydro isn't cheap here in Ontario, we have to pay for all their debt and screw ups...

02blackass best of luck with whatever you decide with your own feed.

Only advantage I have is that I am in an old school apartment building....Hydro is in the cost of rent....no matter how much I use, my rent stays the same......(talk about leaving the A/C units running 24/7 all summer)...))))) As I said before, I put up all this equipement for my own needs, but since I am at work all day, I dont mind running them...

[K4IHS]

Lets start with the scanner. Most systems are rebanded digital or soon will be. Not just any scanner will do. Even if you get a RS scanner on sale... that alone is $300. Lets add the software to program it. Most use the ARC or WIN. It's not expensive... but it's not free. Lets not forget the programming cable. That's just a few more bucks. Somewhere in there you'll need a good antenna and coax. When I streamed I also had a UPS to keep everything running during power burps and outages. Add some free streaming software and your scanner is on the air! But wait... you're an avid scanner listener. You want to listen to the TAC, CID, detectives, NARCS and all those goodie talkgroups that RR bands you from streaming. What to do... buy another scanner? Yep! You end up with 2 scanners. One to stream and one you listen to. Everybody has electricity and to run everything is a buck or two a month so we don't need to go there. Good broadband Internet service is ~$50 a month... but that's another given. Lets share it. Now if you want to download from the RR database to your scanner... you'll need to buy a premium subscription because stream providers no longer get that for free. A computer? Most everybody has an old one laying around. And if you do end up using your main computer... unless you're a setup expert... no playing any music or listening to another RR stream on it because you'll stream all that audio on your feed. Lets see... did I forget anything? Hummmm... I'll bet something will break and need repair. Then lets multiply all of this by how many years you host a stream. I applaud you guys that can do all of the above for free! Send me all of the above and I'll put my stream back up in a heartbeat. I'll even toss in the electricity and Internet at no charge. And if you start a new thread to state your point... it gets moved under a Toronto airport section? Oh... and don't make any negative comments because a moderator will delete them so fast... well lets just say the poster won't even see them.