York Region P25

[jonesyxvii]

I was just reading on the York Region website a report entitled "FIRE SERVICES 2014 VOICE RADIO COMMUNICATION SYSTEM REPLACEMENT" (see report at http://www.york.ca/NR/rdonlyres/u5x4...pt+8+cls+5.pdf)

A paragraph toward the bottom of page 6 reads in part: "Since 2001, York Regional Police, the eight municipal fire services and EMS (Supervisors only) have been on the same voice radio system that has interoperability capability. This will continue to be realized on the new radio system as well as increased capacity, enhanced coverage, secure and encrypted voice communication and compliance to an industry wide standard."

As this is a report on the upgrade from the perspective of the fire departments, can we take from this that fire will be encrypted? (Police is a given, I think.)

Rob

[VE3JSO]

yea i saw this comming

[Jay911]

So how many separate, independent public safety P25 systems are going in to the Great Lakes region now? 8? Windsor.. Hamilton.. Halton.. Peel.. GTA.. York.. Durham.. Peterborough? (Edit: 9; I forgot London.)

Were I still living there, as a taxpayer, I'd be asking if these regions ever heard of interregional partnering. Even if you take the more distant ones out of the mix, Peel thru Durham could all co-exist on one system. Hell, just across the border from Windsor you have a system taking care of the entire state of Michigan.

[Chrome69]

well some of the police departments don't play well with others. I can't see Toronto doing anything further their now talking about budget shortfalls and closing both fire and police stations (scare tactics in my opinion)

[exkalibur]

The plan from what I've seen is to have some sort of commonality umong the systems. No idea how that will play out, but at least since everyone will be "on board" with the same kind of system, they could in theory program talkgroups for everyone else in the other systems. Certainly a Hamilton to Durham wide system would be a fantastic idea, if for nothing else but the ability for someone to roam across.

[bigcam406]

as was stated previously,some forces dont like playing with others.here in Durham,the cops run the show,and everyone else basically follows suit.alot of it is ego driven("look what we got"),and the last time Durham cops pulled this stunt,(back in '99 with Telus),they were bragging how they were the first municipal police force in Canada that had encryption.obviously,they(police and politicians) havnt learned a thing.as a side note,when municipal politicians were questioned about the cost for the new system here in Durham(48.5 million),no one would give a response,only stating"go talk to the police about it.."what does that tell ya?

[VE6E0]

Originally Posted by Chrome69

well some of the police departments don't play well with others. I can't see Toronto doing anything further their now talking about budget shortfalls and closing both fire and police stations (scare tactics in my opinion)

If TPS has signed contracts to upgrade their system, then the bus has left station, regardless of what the current budget constraints are. Since two or three members on herehave connections at Jane, have all said the same thng, infrastructure is done, subscriber units are out there, so assume you have 80 % done. Add into the mix, the current subscriber units are probably be EOLed by Motorola in the next three years, they really do not have a choice but to continue.

Have to agree Chief Blair came across poorly, saying he would be forced to close a division. Maybe he should walk around 40 College and movesome of the uniformed members back to the street. Example, do you really need an uniformed member to read press releases? I personally know a S/SGT who had a nice cushy job in CASC, who when transferred back to the street, didn't know how to adjust the seat in scout car. Apparently he hadn't been on the road since he was a 2nd Class PC.

As for Durham, yeah they think they were secure with iDen. From a rumour I have heard, some news guy has been listening in to their comms for years. Apparently a radio of theirs was written off, but a tech repaired it, and he has been getting to the calls. Of course, this is a concern most departments do not realize when moving to encryption. But here is a question for those living out in the east end of the GTA. Since 1999 has police misconduct increased? Is it higher? How does it compare to the neighbouring jurisdictions?

[Muxlow]

Originally Posted by bigcam406

(back in '99 with Telus),they were bragging how they were the first municipal police force in Canada that had encryption?

I think London Police had them beat.
1995 or 96 they had ENC. Forts could give abetter idea of the year

[Forts]

Both Chatham and London had encrypted channels in the early/mid 90's. All general comm's would be analog but when something juicy came along the dispatcher would ask them to switch channels. CKPS would 'switch to privacy' and I think London just called theirs the 'secure channel'. London then went fully digital and encrypted somewhere around 95/96 as Muxlow mentioned.

[bigcam406]

Originally Posted by VE6E0

If TPS has signed contracts to upgrade their system, then the bus has left station, regardless of what the current budget constraints are. Since two or three members on herehave connections at Jane, have all said the same thng, infrastructure is done, subscriber units are out there, so assume you have 80 % done. Add into the mix, the current subscriber units are probably be EOLed by Motorola in the next three years, they really do not have a choice but to continue.

Have to agree Chief Blair came across poorly, saying he would be forced to close a division. Maybe he should walk around 40 College and movesome of the uniformed members back to the street. Example, do you really need an uniformed member to read press releases? I personally know a S/SGT who had a nice cushy job in CASC, who when transferred back to the street, didn't know how to adjust the seat in scout car. Apparently he hadn't been on the road since he was a 2nd Class PC.

As for Durham, yeah they think they were secure with iDen. From a rumour I have heard, some news guy has been listening in to their comms for years. Apparently a radio of theirs was written off, but a tech repaired it, and he has been getting to the calls. Of course, this is a concern most departments do not realize when moving to encryption. But here is a question for those living out in the east end of the GTA. Since 1999 has police misconduct increased? Is it higher? How does it compare to the neighbouring jurisdictions?

going by what ive read over the years and friends that are on the force,misconduct has increased.i dont know about other forces other by what ive read in the local rags.

[Gymbag]

When was Julian Fantino the Chief of Police in London? It was during his tenure he handed the Police Services Board the bill for the new radio system.

[Forts]

Fantino was London's chief from 1991 thru 1998, so yes he was at the helm when they made the switch to the digital EDACS system. And, in their defense, that system served them well. It was on the air for somewhere around 15 or 16 years and always sounded great.