Kitchener LTR system

[Tech4064]

I tried monitoring the Kitchener LTR system and programmed exactly as listed in RR but when transmissions come up I get a different talkgroup ID for each radio used not a static talkgroup number and I can only assume this problem is due to the LCN's being out of order. Anyone know how to check the LCN order to make sure it's correct?

[Muxlow]

What kind of scanner you have?
Some will show the LCN number on the screen like the uniden 99XT

[Tech4064]

I have a 996T, two of them actually, I guess I will have to look in greater detail because when I program off RR this and only this system shows a different talkgroup ID for each radio as opposed to a system talkgroup so I am suspecting the LCN order posted is wrong. I'll have to play around with it again and see how the 996 displays the LCN and then program it that way.

[Saint]

Originally Posted by Tech4064

I have a 996T, two of them actually, I guess I will have to look in greater detail because when I program off RR this and only this system shows a different talkgroup ID for each radio as opposed to a system talkgroup so I am suspecting the LCN order posted is wrong. I'll have to play around with it again and see how the 996 displays the LCN and then program it that way.

Download LT Analyzer and run it on each frequency and this will show you the LCN for each frequency.
you will need a tap on your scanner to you this !
Steve

[Tech4064]

Originally Posted by Saint

Download LT Analyzer and run it on each frequency and this will show you the LCN for each frequency.
you will need a tap on your scanner to you this !
Steve

Thanks, I was kinda hoping for an easier way but maybe there isn't and I am not even sure that the LCN's posted on RR are wrong, I am suspecting it only because every time someone keys a radio it is like the radio has it's own talkgroup. I still hear stuff it's just annoying that's all.

Maybe I'll play around with it some more.

[ve3nsv]

That't the way the City of Kitchener LTR system is setup. Since you can't have individual radio ID's on LTR they chose to use a single group ID for each radio for ANI purposes and just use block decoding.

[Tech4064]

Originally Posted by ve3nsv

That't the way the City of Kitchener LTR system is setup. Since you can't have individual radio ID's on LTR they chose to use a single group ID for each radio for ANI purposes and just use block decoding.

Thanks! that's the way it is then, at least I wasn't making a programing error.

[DaveH]

Originally Posted by Tech4064

Thanks! that's the way it is then, at least I wasn't making a programing error.

I concur with NSV...and no way would errors in the repeater numbering create
a bunch of individual IDs. Taxis, busses, and delivery fleets often use this system
to keep drivers from chatting with each other and chewing up a lot of airtime.
Base unit(s) scan all mobiles as groups. This doesn't preclude mobiles having
access to regular group if they need it.

For a 5-channel system with only two groups listed, looks like some serious
under-reporting to the database; but I'm not in a position to confirm...locals will
need to check system activity.

As for LTR Analyzer, it can be very helpful. Even with the system idle, you can
get the Repeater Number (some people call LCNs) from the idle bursts; but
needs a disc. tap.

Dave

[mbstone99]

Here is a list of the TG's have hear so far but I have no idea what they are.

0-05-XXX
070
151
179
198

0-09-XXX
002
004
005
006
097
101
106
110
122
135
162
163
164
165
166
184
189
222
226
239

0-11-XXX
084
208
246

Matt

[mciupa]

Matt, I've created a Wiki page for these as a reference so that we can find them without hunting for the post as time goes by. Thanks for sharing them.

[Tech4064]

Originally Posted by mbstone99

Here is a list of the TG's have hear so far but I have no idea what they are.

0-05-XXX
070
151
179
198

0-09-XXX
002
004
005
006
097
101
106
110
122
135
162
163
164
165
166
184
189
222
226
239

0-11-XXX
084
208
246

Matt

and it appears those "talkgroup" numbers function on the scanner as if they are radio id's, example 0-110-246 might be a snow plow truck and when he talks it's always that number and when dispatch talks back it's always another number. It will take a little bit getting used to with that system.

I think Brampton's LTR has both fixed talkgroups as well as a radio id/talkgroup for each bus as well if I was reading correctly.

[rkillins]

My experience monitoring this system, with a scanner and using LTR analyzer is most users pretty close to their home LCN. Only on rare occassions do you hear a user meander of what I call their home LCN. Considering the amount of traffic on this network (most traffic comes from utilities which are pretty dull ... use a lot of codes) one is pretty safe to just program the frequencies as conventional channels. Unlike other trunking systems, you can pretty much gaurantee replies will follow on the same frequency.

I notice now that the information I originally sent regarding this system is no longer included.

169.3350 (LCN05) = Facilities. (Auditorium, City Security, City Hall)
151.9250 (LCN07) = City of Kitchener Parks (incl. cemetaries)
171.3150 (LCN09) = City of Kitchener Utilities
169.2300 (LCN11) = City of Kitchener Roads
169.6200 (LCN13) = City of Waterloo (Roads are the only ones using two way radios)

I'm not sure if it's appropriate to say that the ids being listed, or we see on our displays, are actual talkgroups. I'm more inclined to believe they are radio ids. So, 0-05-035, is one radio of many being used by the Auditorium Food Services division of the City of Kitchener.

I will have to go back to analyzing this system again ... my curiousity has been sparked once again. I'm not sure how it works as an example, The Auditorium operations are seperate from the food concession, but on the same LCN. But I do recall, it wasn't cut and dry picking out talkgroups. There was initial discussion of this system when it came out oin the Ontscan list.