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Old 01-15-2013, 10:40 PM
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Ok, I can now confirm that the Uniden 996xt WILL track the new system in it's current state. I saw it with my own eyes a few minutes ago. It will NOT once they switch to phase 2...
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Old 01-16-2013, 12:19 AM
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PhillyDjDan:

Try this custom bandplan in your Pro-96/Pro-2096; I believe this should work for this system; at least until Phase 2 radios begin showing up. You MUST program this via software such as Win96, also make sure you are running the latest firmware release. I just verified these settings in one of the firehouses Pro-2096 units with we have monitoring the MPSCS system here in Michigan (same type as Philly).

CH Lo CH Hi Base Frequency Offset Step
0 4095 851.00625 0 6.25
4096 8191 762.00625 4096 6.25

These are setup in Win96 under the "Channels - MOT 9600 CC - Multi Table" option. I am using version 1.74.

Also, those with GRE PSR-800, firmware version 1.8 was released and is highly recommended as an update for monitoring this as well as various other Project-25 systems. You must update the firmware V1.8 and the DSP, v1.3 along with the EZ-Scan software, v1.08. When programming the Philly system, make sure you select "Auto Fill" for the trunking tables under the site options menu. This is critical for Phase II compliant systems.

PSR-800 Firmware U1.8
New U1.8 firmware is available for the PSR-800.

Version U1.8 - January 15, 2013
Added ability to decode APCO Project 25 Phase 2 TDMA voice channels. This version must only be used in conjunction with DSP firmware version U1.3 or later.

When this version is installed, the uP Appl Ver line on the version screen (accessed by pressing the MENU when the welcome message is displayed after a power up) will show as version 1.8.

When a Phase 2 talkgroup is active, the scanner will display "D2" instead of "DG".

We recommend ensuring the sites on a P25 Phase 2 system be set to Auto-Fill mode. This will allow the scanner to automatically set the information needed to track the system from the control channel data stream. Don't use "custom tables" for Phase 2 systems unless you really know what you're doing.

Added support for decoding of radio ID and priority channel detection since the release of Beta 2.

Fixed issue in the Beta 2 versions with the scanner not returning to the control channel when a Phase 2 transmission ends when the other time slot is in use on the same frequency.

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Police transition began on Monday.

Far NE, NE, Central, and NW switch over on 1/16.

That's what I was told.
As of 6 AM, I have heard the 7th & 8th, 2nd & 15th, 6th & 9th, and the 5th & 39th, on the new system, as well as the ones that were there yesterday.
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Old 01-16-2013, 5:39 AM
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Byker, I see that also.

W2GLD, will try those settings, but I believe I tried them already. Will let you know
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No go, GLD. I think Philly uses a different set of frequencies as your's, and so that table may not be right in this case.
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just caught from NORTH dispatcher...

New radios are up as of midnight,,and we are experiencing tech difficulties.
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No go, GLD. I think Philly uses a different set of frequencies as your's, and so that table may not be right in this case.
That's the standard P-25 bandpan everywhere. Did you try the tables I have listed in the system notes under the Philly system as well? Also, you are running the latest firmware release on that Pro-96/2096 right? Also, make sure you have just the control channels programmed as a standard Motorola system. If this doesn't work, I'd drop a note to Don Starr and see what his thoughts are.

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I tried the standard custom bandplan you gave me as well as the one in the notes for the new system. Neither worked. I do have the latest firmware. Like i said before, it seems like the scanner is deaf on the control channel, so even with the bandplan, it isnt going to decode enough control data to do anything with it. I will do some more testing and see what i can come up with. I have a super amp and external antenna i can try.
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I tried the standard custom bandplan you gave me as well as the one in the notes for the new system. Neither worked. I do have the latest firmware. Like i said before, it seems like the scanner is deaf on the control channel, so even with the bandplan, it isnt going to decode enough control data to do anything with it. I will do some more testing and see what i can come up with. I have a super amp and external antenna i can try.
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I tried the standard custom bandplan you gave me as well as the one in the notes for the new system. Neither worked. I do have the latest firmware. Like i said before, it seems like the scanner is deaf on the control channel, so even with the bandplan, it isnt going to decode enough control data to do anything with it. I will do some more testing and see what i can come up with. I have a super amp and external antenna i can try.
Sounds like even-though Radio Shack says the Pro-96/2096 support rebanding, it basically deaf around 853MHz. and thus making it useless. There's going to be allot of angry people here in Michigan soon; we're just beginning the rebanding phase across the state. This outta be interesting...

Well, the best solution sounds like the PSR-800 with the new firmware for Philly. And those who mentioned battery issues, try some of the alternate battery settings, they do help.
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Pd or fire, horseman?
Apologies mate,,
Was on the POLICE side..
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online with the new equipment..

matter o fact,im catching NADA as
far as fireboard or medic TX..
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I tried the standard custom bandplan you gave me as well as the one in the notes for the new system. Neither worked. I do have the latest firmware. Like i said before, it seems like the scanner is deaf on the control channel, so even with the bandplan, it isnt going to decode enough control data to do anything with it. I will do some more testing and see what i can come up with. I have a super amp and external antenna i can try.
Sounds like even-though Radio Shack says the Pro-96/2096 support rebanding, it basically deaf around 853MHz. and thus making it useless. There's going to be allot of angry people here in Michigan soon; we're just beginning the rebanding phase across the state. This outta be interesting...

Well, the best solution sounds like the PSR-800 with the new firmware for Philly. And those who mentioned battery issues, try some of the alternate battery settings, they do help.
that very well could be the case. Now i have to find a small amp to run my 800 into so i can hear it while in the car. The volume level, by the way, really affects battery life. On level 18 i get maybe 3 or 4 hours, but turned down to 1 i get 8 or 9 hours. Thats using enelopes.
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Apologies mate,,
Was on the POLICE side..
Been logging the RID's
of the districts that are coming
online with the new equipment..

matter o fact,im catching NADA as
far as fireboard or medic TX..
Thanks, horseman. I thought maybe north fire tried it and had to switch back or something.
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Philly PD is switching all dispatching this week. Unless something fails, are districts will be on the new system by Friday morning. The old system is supposed to be shut down shortly after that.

Not sure when the fire side is switching over.
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i have the psr 800 i loaded the new system in everything is locked out other then the far ne. updated the scanner to 1.8 but I still am not hearing anything. If anyone could help me out it would be great thanks
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Does band plan need to be modified for the 996XT

I am confused about the band plan notes

Ch-Lo: Ch-Hi: Offset: Base Frequency: Step: Slots:

0 4095 0 851.00625 6.25 FDMA

4096 8191 4096 762.00625 6.25 FDMA

8192 12287 8192 851.01250 12.5 TDMA-2

12288 16383 12288 762.00625 12.5 TDMA-2

The 996XT programming tool I use is only looking for Lower/Base (I assume this is the base refernced above) Upper (which would be what) the offset (I assume is as listed?) and the step (once again as listed?)

Thanks...I know this is only a stop gap until Phase II is rolled out, but given the City's financial situation, it could be "ever"
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I heard a box struck this afternoon in northwest philly, and the dispatcher had companies using north analog instead of north tac 1. i am curious what that was about.
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Having the same problem as pdw911 with the Uniden 996xt. The scanner should monitor the PPD and other Philly entities set as P251. Uniden requires:
Lo Base Freq Upper Base Freq Offset Polarity Spacing
I don't know if that will require 1 or more band plans. Is requiring too much guess work. Can a colleague provide us with the correct band plan(s) aka, I suspect, as trunking tables?
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i have the psr 800 i loaded the new system in everything is locked out other then the far ne. updated the scanner to 1.8 but I still am not hearing anything. If anyone could help me out it would be great thanks
Make sure the tables under each site (system) are set for "Auto Fill"; otherwise the scanner will NOT track the voice frequencies properly.

This is located under "System-Site-Site Options"
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