The War on Drugs FAILURE!

[EJB]

Do you like seeing your tax money wasted on a war that cannot be won?

Open your mind and take a look at the studies, the results and the findings on this unwinnable war.

While alcahol and tobacco are used and abused and cause havoc and destruction as well as cost billions to treat. While hard-core crimminals muder and kill, the police and courts are wasting $ and time and energy busting people growing a few pot plants.

I dont think this is at all a left or right wing issue. I think it is about time that a different way to deal with this is initiated. I am sure that pretty much all of us know someone or are dealing with addiction and I would love to see what people think of this.


Read it or glance at it at least first:

Global Commission on Drug Policy | Report

[com501]

Close our borders, and tell the Government what laws to change. Its US Code. Until that changes, you are smoking rope....

[EJB]

Originally Posted by com501

Close our borders, and tell the Government what laws to change. Its US Code. Until that changes, you are smoking rope....

That makes no sense at all what you are saying.
Are you naive enough to think that if the border closed it would stop?

[com501]

Originally Posted by EJB

That makes no sense at all what you are saying.
Are you naive enough to think that if the border closed it would stop?

Of course not, but until we can guarantee that tons of dope aren't being walked across the border by 25,000 illegals a month, we have no starting point.

Legalizing drugs is a cop out just like amnesty for illegal invaders of this country. Fix the problem, THEN talk about changing the laws. Until then, its like emptying the ocean with a spoon.

If your wife keeps writing checks out of a closed bank account, do you tell her 'Just Say No', or do you take the damn checkbook away?

[EJB]

Originally Posted by com501

Of course not, but until we can guarantee that tons of dope aren't being walked across the border by 25,000 illegals a month, we have no starting point.

Legalizing drugs is a cop out just like amnesty for illegal invaders of this country. Fix the problem, THEN talk about changing the laws. Until then, its like emptying the ocean with a spoon.

If your wife keeps writing checks out of a closed bank account, do you tell her 'Just Say No', or do you take the damn checkbook away?

Man you are narrowminded. Just say no? Thats a freaking laugh! TAke the demand away? Ya, look luck with that Chuck? How did Prohibition go? How many people smoke pot?

You cant stop the problem, dont you understand that? There is a demand for drugs in your country and no amount of police action will ever stop it or tone it down. Each time you go to war on it bad guys go ahead and do the American thing i.e. provide a supply for the demand and we fight this and lose ecach and every time.

Each time you put a person in jail for drug use YOU are paying for him/her to be institutionalized, only to learn more and better 'skills' from others in the joint and come out hardenned.

You pay billions to incarcerate, to pay for lawyers, court, fees etc to fight a war.

Its like clapping with one hand.

The sad thing about this is, pain medications, be it pills or weed are needed by many to participate in daily life but the fear and bulls*it from all of those not in favour make millions suffer. I bet you would change your mind if this was to hapenn to you or loved ones.

[com501]

Until we control our borders, NONE of this makes any sense. The number one mission of the USA should be to protect the USA. If it takes shooting drug dealers, so be it. If it takes shooting illegals crossing the border, so be it. Until we do THAT, and close the borders, we can't begin to tackle any of the other problems. 50% of ALL the problems in the USA derive from insecure borders, including the drug problem. And it isn't really a huge problem, compared to the billions in welfare we are giving the drug dealers and invaders.

Since you say 'your country'. I am assuming that you are not a citizen of the United States, and if that is the case, I say MYOB.

[EJB]

Originally Posted by com501

Until we control our borders, NONE of this makes any sense. The number one mission of the USA should be to protect the USA. If it takes shooting drug dealers, so be it. If it takes shooting illegals crossing the border, so be it. Until we do THAT, and close the borders, we can't begin to tackle any of the other problems. 50% of ALL the problems in the USA derive from insecure borders, including the drug problem. And it isn't really a huge problem, compared to the billions in welfare we are giving the drug dealers and invaders.

Since you say 'your country'. I am assuming that you are not a citizen of the United States, and if that is the case, I say MYOB.

Oh great, another NIMBY

If you looked closely to the article that I gave a link to the article was about the WORLD and not the Unites States and no, I have a daughter who is a duel citizen. I also have special proviledges when crosing to and from the U.S. and no, I wont mind my business.

While you fiddle and rant about the borders you ignore the bigger problem, the billions lost dollars wasted to fight a unwinnable war and the death and disease it causes. Instead of fighting something that cant be won maybe it is time to get our heads out of our collectives donkeys butt.

Instead of banning and making contraband illegal maybe people should have the ability to grow their own weed. Do you think that it might stop or slow the border flow of drugs from Mexican gangs?

Do you think instead of putting users in jail, thru court, into the system, housing them in jails (ALL EXPENSIVE!) that people could be left alone from their goverment and be allowed to grow something that grows on its own anyway?


Do you think that hardcore users, the people who need pain relief and then are forgotten by their doctors and now have to score on the street should be put in jail or instead given the drugs or at least a place to use them safely.?

It costs less than a dollar a day to cure a junkie, using methadone and even less if a pump of the drug is inserted in your body and regulated to send out % of the drug per day? This alone saves the person the fee to see a DR and pharmacist and methadone acts as a barrier drug removing a persons ability to get high (it blocks the impulse in your brain).

Then again you want to spend billions plugging a 1 inch hole in the dam (the border) while all around you water continually pores thru.

[com501]

Great, another socialist trying to tell me how my country should run.

Nothing will stop the drug trade until we can make sure that the borders are secure. All you get with another legalized drug is more people on drugs.

The Chinese had a simple but inelegant solution for the Opium trade. Give all the addicts as much as they wanted, confine them to one place until they die. Dealers were shot. Any new addicts were shot.

Worked for them, although I don't think our touchy, feely society these days would put up with it.

I am not interested in curing someone with an addictive personality, they can do it on their own if they want to. I am interested in protecting the security of the United States, which means closing our porous borders to unwelcome invaders. If we get a reduction in the drug trade as an added benefit, great. If not, I would favor a zero tolerance system.

As far as your assertion about patients not getting what they need to control pain? BS. Every person in my family that died from cancer had more than enough pain remediation before they died, so don't go there. Illegal drugs are NOT the answer.

Grow someting useful, like food, forget about the dullard weed.

[poltergeisty]

LOL at EJB. He doenst' even live here and he's a mindless rant! We need to secure the border for our protection and to stop illicit drugs from entering our country. It only makes sense. Duh!

Want a study? Read this: www.fas.org/ota/reports/8702.pdf

There is a drug trade problem.

[EJB]

Originally Posted by poltergeisty

LOL at EJB. He doenst' even live here and he's a mindless rant! We need to secure the border for our protection and to stop illicit drugs from entering our country. It only makes sense. Duh!

Want a study? Read this: www.fas.org/ota/reports/8702.pdf

There is a drug trade problem.

Hey hero. I thought you blocked me? If you looked closely the study was done by a commision of people from around the world, not just Americans.

Go start another rant about democrats or about your politicans. Man. Lindsay had you to a T, troll of the worst kind. You contribute nothing, you arent intelligent and your posts add absolutely nothing to the enjoyment of others. I dont feel like getting banned (and because I feel you are a coward) but if you really want to know what I think of you you can always Pm me, otherwise, put me on ignore again and rant about something else.

[poltergeisty]

HAHA go smoke some more dope buddy. My post's have meaning, and if you can't read a report that's your problem.

The fact is the border is our biggest problem when it comes to drugs. There is an invasion down here.

And besides, the only troll here is you.

[EJB]

Originally Posted by poltergeisty

HAHA go smoke some more dope buddy. My post's have meaning, and if you can't read a report that's your problem.

The fact is the border is our biggest problem when it comes to drugs. There is an invasion down here.

And besides, the only troll here is you.

Close minded little coward.
If anyone else said anything I'd be pissed but you are nothing, no one and a waste of space who does nothing and never has.

You must be the lonliest saddest person, gets his jollies from making 3,00 posts about nothing on a scanner forum, says a lot about you gastly,

When Lindsay shot you down a few months ago you had no comeback and you have nothing here because you have nothing original to say and blame everything on everyone else.

You arent worth it I bet a lot of people have told you that.

[com501]

I don't see any point in continuing this thread, since one half the conversation has no dog in the hunt, so to speak.

Stay on your side of the border, please, or if you come here, don't spread your socialist dopehead crap around in my country. We have a border problem and until its fixed, NOTHING else matters.

Good day, eh?

[EJB]

Originally Posted by com501

I don't see any point in continuing this thread, since one half the conversation has no dog in the hunt, so to speak.

Stay on your side of the border, please, or if you come here, don't spread your socialist dopehead crap around in my country. We have a border problem and until its fixed, NOTHING else matters.

Good day, eh?

This thread was about a world issue, if you see past your own feet that there is an entire world out there you might have understood this at first. It was about the World Wide War on Drugs that has failed and continues to fail.

Your right about killing this thread, talking to you lunk headed right wing types with such narrow views is like clapping with one hand or talking to a corpse.

[K3HY]

Originally Posted by EJB

This thread was about a world issue, if you see past your own feet that there is an entire world out there you might have understood this at first. It was about the World Wide War on Drugs that has failed and continues to fail.

Your right about killing this thread, talking to you lunk headed right wing types with such narrow views is like clapping with one hand or talking to a corpse.

Don't you realize it gets them off, when you get mad.

[com501]

Liberals from this and other countries (and when I say 'this' I mean the United States of America) seem to think that most conservatives are whack jobs anyway.

Here's a clue:

Most conservatives in the USA really don't care too much about the rest of the world as long as they leave us alone, and most conservatives in the USA don't really care what socialist liberals think anyway.

Mostly, my comment on left wing types who want to 'care' about what the world thinks or does, is 'meh'.

[poltergeisty]

Originally Posted by EJB

This thread was about a world issue, if you see past your own feet that there is an entire world out there you might have understood this at first. It was about the World Wide War on Drugs that has failed and continues to fail.

Your right about killing this thread, talking to you lunk headed right wing types with such narrow views is like clapping with one hand or talking to a corpse.

Is the United States not included in the world? It's just like you socialists to think everything is a "world" issue. Like the UN can make everything better.

[ff-medic]

The supply of drugs into the United States is large , and those who are working anti-drug units ( Federal and State ) who are giving 110% , cannot make up or come close to those who are only work 20%.

Instead of being defensive against drugs , the United Sgtates needs to be proactive in oter countrys. Communiticating and working with foregn governments , so the drugs don't even leave the country ; such as South America. Proactive abroad would be a lot less more costly.

FF - Medic !!!

[poltergeisty]

Don't forget Afghanistan and the opium trade. We are currently trying to combat that.

[EJB]

Originally Posted by K3HY

Don't you realize it gets them off, when you get mad.

You are probably right, they must live miserable lives, esp the ghostly one