Election 2012 - Page 51

zz0468 · #**1001** (**permalink**) 10-09-2012, 6:20 PM

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Originally Posted by InlandAZ

For those that believe in less Government, less taxation, and fewer regulations, just about everything.

It's easy to say one believes in the concept of less government, less taxation, and fewer regulations. But in the same breath, Republicans would reduce regulation on the same financial institutions responsible for crashing the economy, and interject government regulation into the personal lives of women (abortion), so the rhetoric sounds so hollow to me.

And to be clear, I am NOT a Democrat, I am politically independent. I would vote for a Republican candidate in a heartbeat if there was one running that I felt would actually be good for the country.

Say what you will, and think what you will about my politics. Much of my RR posting here are is as a devils advocate to stimulate a more interesting forum. My politics are quite in the middle... which clearly puts me well to the left of you.

zz0468 · #**1002** (**permalink**) 10-09-2012, 6:24 PM

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Originally Posted by N1RGR

Under what administration did the pursuit for justice end?

Why does it have to have ended with just one? Doesn't that over simplify a more complex issue?

Highpockets · #**1003** (**permalink**) 10-09-2012, 6:29 PM

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Originally Posted by zz0468

If one chooses to settle an election on that one issue, we're all free to do that. The point I'm trying to get across is that this issue spans two administrations, therefor finger pointing should span two administrations as well.

That's just one of many things that should be taken into account when picking who you want in office, how the DOJ operates and who is in charge.

Finger pointing, Bush had a month left in office, and obama/holder have had 4 years and nothing! Maybe obama/holder will invite the Panthers to the White House and have a beer.

I see that a factory that obama supported (millions) in making Chevy Volt batteries is doing rotating layoffs because the volt hasn't taken off like they thought. Another green energy failure.

More is coming on the death of Stevens, what more do you need before you see obama is in over his head.

He's out on the campaign trail talking like a 5th grader using Sesame Street characters, for God sake, be a president.

N1RGR · #**1004** (**permalink**) 10-09-2012, 6:31 PM

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Originally Posted by zz0468

Say what you will, and think what you will about my politics. Much of my RR posting here are is as a devils advocate to stimulate a more interesting forum. My politics are quite in the middle... which clearly puts me well to the left of you.

How soon we forget that this forum is all just a game for your entertainment. I keep making the same mistake over and over again falling in the same old trap.

N1RGR · #**1005** (**permalink**) 10-09-2012, 6:33 PM

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Originally Posted by zz0468

Why does it have to have ended with just one? Doesn't that over simplify a more complex issue?

Answer the question.

com501 · #**1006** (**permalink**) 10-09-2012, 6:39 PM

It's apparent ZZ gets paid to post here, and is not really interested in debates or even answering questions. I put him on my blocked list ages ago, for that reason.

K8TOB · #**1007** (**permalink**) 10-09-2012, 7:00 PM

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Originally Posted by zz0468

It's easy to say one believes in the concept of less government, less taxation, and fewer regulations. But in the same breath, Republicans would reduce regulation on the same financial institutions responsible for crashing the economy, and interject government regulation into the personal lives of women (abortion), so the rhetoric sounds so hollow to me.

And to be clear, I am NOT a Democrat, I am politically independent. I would vote for a Republican candidate in a heartbeat if there was one running that I felt would actually be good for the country.

Increased Financial Regulation WAS the cause of the financial / housing melt down. Increased regulation over the last 20 years has caused all of the smaller institutions to be absorbed by the larger Banks because the smaller 'home town' banks couldn't afford to meet regulations. Now we have "Banks to big to fail", which has lead to large scale corruption and scandal. Smaller Home town banks have to be more transparent and serving to their local communities.

And what is it specifically that makes you think Republicans want to interject goverment regulation into women's personal lives? I don't want my taxes dollars buying contraceptives for ANYBODY, let alone paying for state sponsored murder of innocent babies(abortion).

What ever happened to 'personal responsibility'. Responsibility for your body, money, family, community...

I saw a slogan today:
"I'm not saying let's go kill all the stupid people... I'm just saying let's remove all the warning labels and let the problem sort itself out."

zz0468 · #**1008** (**permalink**) 10-09-2012, 8:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Highpockets

That's just one of many things that should be taken into account when picking who you want in office, how the DOJ operates and who is in charge.

Excellent. I agree.

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Originally Posted by Highpockets

Finger pointing, Bush had a month left in office, and obama/holder have had 4 years and nothing!

Correction: 4 years with an injunction against they guy with the bat.

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Originally Posted by Highpockets

Maybe obama/holder will invite the Panthers to the White House and have a beer.

Well, that would make it easier to dislike him even more. What's the problem here? Isn't that what you would want?

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Originally Posted by Highpockets

I see that a factory that obama supported (millions) in making Chevy Volt batteries is doing rotating layoffs because the volt hasn't taken off like they thought. Another green energy failure.

The wrong car at the wrong time. But at least it's an effort in the right direction. Failure of one venture doesn't mean we should give up on a concept, does it?

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Originally Posted by Highpockets

More is coming on the death of Stevens, what more do you need before you see obama is in over his head.

It's interesting to see how all that is shaking out. I think in terms of the middle east, we're all in over our heads.

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Originally Posted by Highpockets

He's out on the campaign trail talking like a 5th grader using Sesame Street characters, for God sake, be a president.

He's targeting a specific segment of the population. Those adults who think like 5th graders. We can expect a personal visit from the President here in RR politics any day now.

zz0468 · #**1009** (**permalink**) 10-09-2012, 8:34 PM

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Originally Posted by K8TOB

Increased Financial Regulation WAS the cause of the financial / housing melt down.

And I've heard economists state that it was caused, in part, by deregulation of the banking industry.

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Originally Posted by K8TOB

And what is it specifically that makes you think Republicans want to interject goverment regulation into women's personal lives?

The fact that abortion, birth control, and sex education have been an integral part of the Republican platform for the last 50 years.

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I don't want my taxes dollars buying contraceptives for ANYBODY...

I'd rather have that than have to deal with even more abortions and more hungry welfare mouths to feed.

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let alone paying for state sponsored murder of innocent babies(abortion).

You know, I agree with you here. I don't want tax payer money to be used for abortion, either. But I don't want federal or state regulation prohibiting it, either. How about leaving that decision to those facing the issue, and leave the funding to those willing to voluntarily fund it. Good compromise? I think so.

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Originally Posted by K8TOB

What ever happened to 'personal responsibility'. Responsibility for your body, money, family, community...

From my perspective, nothing has happened to it. It's still needed, it's still there. But you mention the word "community" here. In my mind, communities would help each other out... take care of each other. "community" and "personal" are sort of opposite ends of the spectrum. What's needed is both, not one over the other. Thank you for bringing that up.

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Originally Posted by K8TOB

I saw a slogan today:
"I'm not saying let's go kill all the stupid people... I'm just saying let's remove all the warning labels and let the problem sort itself out."

I like it!

zz0468 · #**1010** (**permalink**) 10-09-2012, 8:35 PM

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Originally Posted by com501

I put him on my blocked list ages ago, for that reason.

Good. One less closed mind to have to deal with.

zz0468 · #**1011** (**permalink**) 10-09-2012, 8:36 PM

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Originally Posted by N1RGR

Answer the question.

Criminal justice ended with the Bush administration. Civil justice ended with the Obama administration.

zz0468 · #**1012** (**permalink**) 10-09-2012, 8:39 PM

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Originally Posted by N1RGR

How soon we forget that this forum is all just a game for your entertainment. I keep making the same mistake over and over again falling in the same old trap.

C'mon. You can't tell me that you don't get SOME entertainment value out of this. So what if you're passionate about it, and I'm amused. Does that make our debates any less entertaining? Not for me.

zz0468 · #**1013** (**permalink**) 10-09-2012, 8:42 PM

Do you guys realize that in over 1000 posts in this thread, there have been no compelling reasons given to vote for Romney other than the fact that he's not Obama. If Romney gets elected, it will be for the same damned reason Obama got elected - he's not the guy who preceded him.

Have fun. I think I'm done with this thread. There are far more interesting things to discuss elsewhere.

Highpockets · #**1014** (**permalink**) 10-09-2012, 8:45 PM

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Originally Posted by zz0468

Well, that would make it easier to dislike him even more. What's the problem here? Isn't that what you would want?

The wrong car at the wrong time. But at least it's an effort in the right direction. Failure of one venture doesn't mean we should give up on a concept, does it?

He's targeting a specific segment of the population. Those adults who think like 5th graders. We can expect a personal visit from the President here in RR politics any day now.

No, it's not what I want, I want him to go to court, even if the outcome is a large fine, at least some justice would be done. Read the link I posted about the Panthers, you'll see what they think of white people.

Yes, we're 16 trillion in debt, now is not the time to waste tax payer money on something that is a gamble. Let the Private sector invest in green energy.

If the president does visit RR, you'll be the first one he'll post/reply to. Birds of a feather, flock together.

InlandAZ · #**1015** (**permalink**) 10-09-2012, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by zz0468

C'mon. You can't tell me that you don't get SOME entertainment value out of this. So what if you're passionate about it, and I'm amused. Does that make our debates any less entertaining? Not for me.

Not by me it doesn't - I find your responses entertaining even though I rarely agree with them.

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It's easy to say one believes in the concept of less government, less taxation, and fewer regulations. But in the same breath, Republicans would reduce regulation on the same financial institutions responsible for crashing the economy...

You forget that many of these regulations actually forced the hand of the financial industry to the make low income, poor credit loans to homebuyers - or face the consequences. So whose fault was it again?

ridgescan · #**1016** (**permalink**) 10-09-2012, 11:42 PM

zz where the hell you going man?? Don't hang it up now-wait till we get someone elected

We like ya in here zz. Honestly, your arrogance pisses me off but it is readily diffused by your smart angle on some stuff. This thread has at least proven out one thing and that is it is a healthy get together of diverse opinions. That's a good thing!

K3HY · #**1017** (**permalink**) 10-10-2012, 5:43 AM

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Originally Posted by zz0468

Do you guys realize that in over 1000 posts in this thread, there have been no compelling reasons given to vote for Romney other than the fact that he's not Obama. If Romney gets elected, it will be for the same damned reason Obama got elected - he's not the guy who preceded him.

Have fun. I think I'm done with this thread. There are far more interesting things to discuss elsewhere.

Come on ZZ.
Grab their bait some more and keep the entertainment going. LOL

N1RGR · #**1018** (**permalink**) 10-10-2012, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Highpockets

Usually we agree on most things, but here I have to disagree with you, my choice:

Judge Jeanine Pirro

Good choice as well...however I think Napolitano is more focused on constitutional issues than Pirro.

N1RGR · #**1019** (**permalink**) 10-10-2012, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by zz0468

Do you guys realize that in over 1000 posts in this thread, there have been no compelling reasons given to vote for Romney other than the fact that he's not Obama. If Romney gets elected, it will be for the same damned reason Obama got elected - he's not the guy who preceded him.

There are no compelling reasons to vote for Romney? I can think of 16 trillion reasons!

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Originally Posted by zz0468

Have fun. I think I'm done with this thread. There are far more interesting things to discuss elsewhere.

Where do you think your going? Without you in here we conservatives will be stuck dealing with the cut and paste king K3HY. Besides Obama is counting on you to defend him over the next few weeks. Right now all he has is Big Bird in his corner!

N1RGR · #**1020** (**permalink**) 10-10-2012, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by zz0468

Criminal justice ended with the Bush administration. Civil justice ended with the Obama administration.

So the pursuit for justice ended with this administration. Now the million dollar question....WHY?