The Benghazi Scandal

[ff-medic]

Originally Posted by Highpockets

For a guy not interested in Politics, he took the time to make a commercial to get obama elected. They can't help themselves, if offered he might bite.

I doubt it. General Powell had his part of politics. He got tired of being stabbed in the back, and having his throat cut. Powell a former Soldier believes in the Soldiers Ethos " You watch my back, I watch yours". Powell, as I have read - was constantly having to do his job and watch out for the cut throats. Some who he frequently shaked hands with. He does not want to do his job, and look out for other people.

General Powell, a brilliant person and supurb leader - could most likely in my opinion, do any job in Washington D.C. Even the Oval Office itself. However a great leader, he was no politican ( cover up - backstab - Cut throat ).

General Powell could take a corporate position anywhere in America, work for some "Think Tank" , or do the lecture circuit. He instead, as I have read....elects to stay home and enjoy his family.

FF - Medic !!!!

[N1RGR]

Hillary hit her head and has a concussion so she can't testify...what a joke!

Im so glad she's gone... Oh and Im so sorry Susan...too bad for you!

[elk2370bruce]

Originally Posted by N1RGR

Hillary hit her head and has a concussion so she can't testify...what a joke!

Im so glad she's gone... Oh and Im so sorry Susan...too bad for you!

Well, they have already used the other newsworthy excuse for Petraeus' exit.

[ridgescan]

Originally Posted by N1RGR

Hillary hit her head and has a concussion so she can't testify...what a joke!

Im so glad she's gone... Oh and Im so sorry Susan...too bad for you!

Don't you see Hillary's getting her 5 coats of teflon applied now for the 2016 race? They gotta make her nice and slippery like papa barack.

[Highpockets]

Hillary is home with Bill going over what she will say when she does testify, and the way Washington works, she'll most likely get a copy of what they will ask her.

And they work for us.

[kb2vxa]

"...she'll most likely get a copy of what they will ask her."

Under the rules of disclosure change that to undoubtedly. When it comes to the exact questions they're unscripted so there will be some surprises. Stand by for long thoughtful pauses between questions and answers. Uh, make that responses that don't answer the questions and quickly reworded questions leading to a fencing match.

[Highpockets]

What a joke, Hilary before Congress. The Republicans are trying to get to the bottom of what happened, who knew what, was anyone held responsible. Well, the Democrats are sitting there telling her how great she is as S of S, they wept with her when she was there when the bodies of the 4 returned. Doesn't look like the Democrats care what happened, it's a shame they don't want to get to the bottom of what really happened and who was to blame and put this to rest!

[Highpockets]

By the time they were done asking Hilary questions, well, one side asked questions, the other side got in line to do her hair, nails and feet. Didn't look like any of them (Democrats) wanted to get to the bottom of what happened and who will be held responsible. It looked like they were trying to open the door for her in 2016.

[N1RGR]

Originally Posted by Highpockets

What a joke, Hilary before Congress. The Republicans are trying to get to the bottom of what happened, who knew what, was anyone held responsible. Well, the Democrats are sitting there telling her how great she is as S of S, they wept with her when she was there when the bodies of the 4 returned. Doesn't look like the Democrats care what happened, it's a shame they don't want to get to the bottom of what really happened and who was to blame and put this to rest!

All the blubbering and the "We love you Hillary crap was making me sick! The fact of the matter is she danced around questions and said that she was not informed when it came to the tough questions! She still claims she had no idea who told Rice to go on the Sunday talk shows or who gave her the talking points! What a joke! She also claimed that nobody told her about the security conditions or the numerous requests for increased security at the compound. Her nose was ten feet long at that point!

[Highpockets]

Originally Posted by N1RGR

All the blubbering and the "We love you Hillary crap was making me sick! The fact of the matter is she danced around questions and said that she was not informed when it came to the tough questions! She still claims she had no idea who told Rice to go on the Sunday talk shows or who gave her the talking points! What a joke! She also claimed that nobody told her about the security conditions or the numerous requests for increased security at the compound. Her nose was ten feet long at that point!

I wonder where she picked up those glasses? I also gave her low marks on appearance, looks like she has completely given up on at least trying to look somewhat attractive.

Let's see where John Kerry takes us. I have no respect for him.

[N1RGR]

I got a kick out of the tantrum fit see took saying "Quote" does it matter if it was a demonstration or just a group of people in the streets! It mattered back when she and the White House was spinning that it was all because of the anti-Muslim film! What a joke! They spin the false story and act innocent when caught in the lie! Can you believe that after all this time we still don't know WHO gave Rice the talking points or WHO sent Susan Rice out to the Sunday talk shows promoting those talking points! We still don't know who was responsible for the attacks and NOBODY has been brought to justice! I think Rand Paul said it best...she should have been relieved of her duties as Secretary of State! What a disgrace!

P.S. All the makeup in the world could NOT make her look good! Just ask Bubba who has to get take out from time to time while enjoying a good cigar! lol.

[ridgescan]

Shows how she'll be as president. No better than bush or obama-more of the same.

[Robinsmark]

Originally Posted by N1RGR

t What a joke! She also claimed that nobody told her about the security conditions or the numerous requests for increased security at the compound. Her nose was ten feet long at that point!

EXACTLY! Agreed I believe she knew but... the ambassador's cables contained a very different opinion. But she claims that the security people said there was no problem. If they are not in agreement with what the ambassador sees than that should indicate a need for further investigation. And that never took place. She failed to do her job and now 4 Americans are dead.

Of course none of this will keep Liberals from voting for her. They will ignore it just as CNN ignored this story.

[ff-medic]

Originally Posted by Highpockets

Let's see where John Kerry takes us. I have no respect for him.

Yeah. The guy whom threw his medals over the White House fence. makes ya wonder does it not? His past statements and accusations, and they want to promote him to a position like that, with that kind of responsibility.

Whom thew who a favor? Who scratched whos back? And I scratched my head about Hillary..WHOM was extremely outspoken against Obama.

John Kerry...In my opinion, could not lead a kindergarten class to the restroom.


FF-Medic !!!

[Michael-SATX]

I'm very disapointed in the whole Benghazi hearing outcome as I know many of you are as well.
The Republicans did not have their act together except for a couple of them asking tough questions.
Do any of you recall the name of that R-Rep (Dunn ?) that really came with it on the hard questions?
He asked Hillary something like what was so important that Chris Stevens was meeting over that day?
Reports are that as many as 150 ~ 175 were part of the attack in Benghazi against just 4 Americans.
Of course Hillary would have us just believe that this might have been just "a few guys" going
"out for a walk that night and decided to kill some Americans". I mean who doesn't go out for a walk
at night carrying mortar round launchers. This was a planned attack and the biggest question among
so many that were not asked was "Why was the emergency request made several times by Chris Stevens
and Mr Smith to be "extracted imediately" from the compound due to being under attack rejected ?
There were several special forces groups ready and standing by waiting for the order to extract them
to safety. Instead of Hillarys question, I say what difference would it have made if our guys were
extracted to safety ? They could have been saved and this would have NEVER even made the news !!!
I understand that Obama rejected the mission because the election was coming up and he wanted
American voters thinking that everything was smooth sailing in the region and did want to risk
starting up any conflicts so close to the election. Again in our Gov't we see "Shut up and Cover up" !

btw ~ For those CIA wise folks, what is the actual name or terminology used in this type of request ?
I was told they can log in and request to be " imediately extracted " ... can't remember the term used?

[N1RGR]

Originally Posted by Michael-SATX

Obama rejected the mission because the election was coming up and he wanted
American voters thinking that everything was smooth sailing in the region and did want to risk
starting up any conflicts so close to the election. Again in our Gov't we see "Shut up and Cover up" !

I totally agree Mike...this was all a cover up orchestrated by the Obama administration during the election cycle! And by the way the guy who made that anti-Muslim film.....still in jail! The guy who orchestrated the attack on the compound.....still at lodge!

[ff-medic]

Originally Posted by Michael-SATX

I'm very disapointed in the whole Benghazi hearing outcome as I know many of you are as well.

If one does a correct security survey, and a proper threat assessment - most times you don't have problems, or situations......such as Benghazi. Constantly reassessment is the key sometimes. One has to reasess and reanalyze to stay on top of threats. Keep your flow of intelligence inbound, practive good security and counter-intelligence, and keep most importantly = keep your supervisors and upper echelon informed. This keeps them informed of current problems and events. And if you need assistance, help, or support, one will not have to explain a long history to receive such.

There is civilian and military personnel ( U.S State Dept - U.S. Defense Security Service - Military Intelligence - Military Police Physical Security Specialist ) to help plan, and coordinate , as to keep U.S Military and U.S Govt facilitys safe and secure. Resources...essentially, are free. Use them.

Originally Posted by Michael-SATX

The Republicans did not have their act together except for a couple of them asking tough questions.
Do any of you recall the name of that R-Rep (Dunn ?) that really came with it on the hard questions?
He asked Hillary something like what was so important that Chris Stevens was meeting over that day?
Reports are that as many as 150 ~ 175 were part of the attack in Benghazi against just 4 Americans.

# Hillary # = Favoritism in politics. Plus good or bad, she is married to Bill Clinton, whom still has ALOT of pull in Washington and with his party.

#150-175 attack# = "Reports" is correct. We do not know, only the various and unsimilar news reports that were broadcasted. Me, myself, never heard specifics from the State Department.

Originally Posted by Michael-SATX

Of course Hillary would have us just believe that this might have been just "a few guys" going"out for a walk that night and decided to kill some Americans". I mean who doesn't go out for a walkat night carrying mortar round launchers. This was a planned attack and the biggest question among so many that were not asked was "Why was the emergency request made several times by Chris Stevens and Mr Smith to be "extracted imediately" from the compound due to being under attack rejected ?

Anytime one is assigned overseas , either military, or civilian personnel, one needs to be careful. That goes not only to nations that support, or commit terror, but our allied nations also.

Personal security is the utmost importance. There is absolutely nothing more important than life itself, and its preservation. If one "Bee-Bops" down a street, at night, overseas, they are riskiong their own personal security. One reason, is that they may be American, and anti-american sentiments abound even the friendliest of countrys.

From my watching the news, and reading newspapers - there should not have been the need to do a emergency extraction. Secondly - there should have been adequate, and properly equipped U.S Military, or State Department personnel to properly deal with the incident that occurred. A quick reaction force, and security personnel, to deal with the terrorist act.

Originally Posted by Michael-SATX

There were several special forces groups ready and standing by waiting for the order to extract them
to safety. Instead of Hillarys question, I say what difference would it have made if our guys were
extracted to safety ? They could have been saved and this would have NEVER even made the news !!!
I understand that Obama rejected the mission because the election was coming up and he wanted
American voters thinking that everything was smooth sailing in the region and did want to risk
starting up any conflicts so close to the election. Again in our Gov't we see "Shut up and Cover up" !

btw ~ For those CIA wise folks, what is the actual name or terminology used in this type of request ?
I was told they can log in and request to be " imediately extracted " ... can't remember the term used?

Yeah yeah yeah. And compromise the extraction team, along with the vehicles, and or aircraft ( helicopters).

You can request to be extracted, but if being extracted means getting the extract team killed or injured ( If my memory serves me correct = Afghanistan - SEAL Team that took a beating for an extract - only one or two survivors.....remember that one ) an extraction is not going to happen. Loss of lives, and equipement. It's called a risk assessment, and being in the military means making lots of risk assessments.

Risk versus benefit. Loss potential. Loosing the people inside the hostile area, plus the extract team and their equipment...is not a success story. Most times, it is a career ending story, and to the very least a story of demotion and embarassment.

People die. People are severly injured, and maimed. It is a fact of life. Sitting back and watching carnage cause your hands are tied..... is a fact of life for civilian and military leaders. Military and civilian commanders cannot add to the loss of life and unit damage, to make a one in a million chance of a save. Heart wrenching is it not.

If you have properly staffed, adequately trained and equipped security personnel, plus a reaction team....should something go wrong. Lives will more than likely be spared, and overall damage, most likely...will be minimal. Again , do not forget your security survey, and threat assessment. Building and instillation security is important in minimizing damage ( barriers - lighting - fences - entry and exit control - and building & information access inside the installation itself ) .


FF- Medic !!!

[ridgescan]

Like I said a few times before-they'll all get a pass. Like the frikkin mafia now. Oops-better watch outside for drones now

[ff-medic]

Originally Posted by ridgescan

Like I said a few times before-they'll all get a pass. Like the frikkin mafia now. Oops-better watch outside for drones now

Here ya go. If you want some good intel, below is some good information.

General Westmoreland is reported as giving these rules to every Soldier reporting to duty in Vietnam.

#17 is my favorite.


Rules for fighting = Standing Orders, Rogers Rangers

FF-Medic !!!

[jeffy]

Hillary Ramrod Clinton will walk away unscathed and if the media has anything to do with it (and they do) she will be considered a hero (a word that's loosely thrown around constantly) to her constituents and if she chooses to run in 2016 Benghazi will be but a memory.