The Fiscal Cliff Hanger!

[N1RGR]

With gloom and doom looming on the horizon it seems once again the President has FAILED to lead in this fiscal cliff hanger. Why has the President NOT met with Republicans? The dems proposal to increase taxes and spend more is absolutly absured! This proves that the dems are NOT willing to compimise yet everybody is posied to blame the Republicans if a deal is not struck!

[KE4ZNR]

Originally Posted by N1RGR

With gloom and doom looming on the horizon it seems once again the President has FAILED to lead in this fiscal cliff hanger. Why has the President NOT met with Republicans? The dems proposal to increase taxes and spend more is absolutly absured! This proves that the dems are NOT willing to compimise yet everybody is posied to blame the Republicans if a deal is not struck!

Once again N1RGR your bias is showing...you put all blame on the dems while giving the pubs a complete pass. Are you ever going to admit that the Pubs are half
of the problem? Takes 2 to tango you know....
As an independent I have many times over placed blame on both
parties for their failings...
Both the Dems and Pubs are to blame for getting us into this situation yet
neither side wishes to accept responsibility...you talk about your religious
values...I thought honesty was important to the religious right...how about being honest for once and holding your own party accountable as well as "the other side"?
Marshall KE4ZNR

[elk2370bruce]

Originally Posted by N1RGR

With gloom and doom looming on the horizon it seems once again the President has FAILED to lead in this fiscal cliff hanger. Why has the President NOT met with Republicans? The dems proposal to increase taxes and spend more is absolutly absured! This proves that the dems are NOT willing to compimise yet everybody is posied to blame the Republicans if a deal is not struck!

I respectfully disagree. The Republican leadership has had several meetings with the Presidents and these have been covered by faux news and other sources. Both sides are intransigent and refusing to budge from their own non-workable plans. Each is waiting for the other to give in so a "winner" in this game of chicken can be declared and the ongoing, behind-the-scense staff work can come to a mutually agreeable compromse where the American people are the real winners. So far, they aren't even at the kick the can down the road stage and are unlikely to avoid tumbling down the hole BOTH parties created many months ago. Most of us don't give a rancid rat's rectum which side gets the chicken win. So far, there is more than enough blame and lack of credibility for the whole bunch of these spoiled, childish, ideologues - whether in the House, Senate, or the White House. When is the poor taxpayer going to be considered? We don't share the interest in political gain or alpha male ideologies. But, since when do the denizens infecting our nation's capitol really care about us except for monetary donations and the instant of pulling the voting booth lever as manipulated by billion dollar ad campaigns. No matter which party wins the game, the average American loses and pays the price for their move for dominance in a NONSENSICAL process.

[brandon]

The country is lost. Nothing can be done to save it.
China is the way of the future, so better get used to it.

[elk2370bruce]

Originally Posted by brandon

The country is lost. Nothing can be done to save it.
China is the way of the future, so better get used to it.

Why not? They already own a major chunk of our economy, huge amounts of real estate, and damned near of all of SoCal which is already far left of center. If they ever call for the money we owe them, they can foreclose on the Senate chamber doorknobs. They can claim us as a tax loss when dealing with the International bankers in Geneva.

[N1RGR]

Originally Posted by elk2370bruce

I respectfully disagree. The Republican leadership has had several meetings with the Presidents and these have been covered by faux news and other sources.

That is just plain wrong Bruce. The President has NOT met with Republican leaders in weeks. I respectfully challenge you to prove me wrong on this point.

Originally Posted by elk2370bruce

. No matter which party wins the game, the average American loses and pays the price for their move for dominance in a NONSENSICAL process.

Do you agree we need to cut spending? Do we also agree that raising taxes,continued spending and more stimulus is NOT the answer? Keep in mind the President also wants executive power to raise the debt ceiling when ever he See's fit. Where do you stand on these issues?

[N1RGR]

Originally Posted by KE4ZNR

Once again N1RGR your bias is showing...you put all blame on the dems while giving the pubs a complete pass. Are you ever going to admit that the Pubs are half
of the problem? Takes 2 to tango you know....
As an independent I have many times over placed blame on both
parties for their failings...
Both the Dems and Pubs are to blame for getting us into this situation yet
neither side wishes to accept responsibility...you talk about your religious
values...I thought honesty was important to the religious right...how about being honest for once and holding your own party accountable as well as "the other side"?
Marshall KE4ZNR

Well answer the question...has the President shown leadership in this mess thus far? And please lets keep religion out of this discussion. Its just a pathetic distraction tactic.

[KE4ZNR]

Originally Posted by N1RGR

Well answer the question...has the President shown leadership in this mess thus far? And please lets keep religion out of this discussion. Its just a pathetic distraction tactic.

How about you answer my question first...when have you EVER
held your precious Pubs/GOP up to the same standards you demand
of the Dems? When have you EVER criticized any GOP/Pub/Conservative?
The truth is you never have. You spew a never ending diatribe against
anything dem/left while turning a blind eye when it comes the Pubs.
As far as religion, you would be wise to remember Matthew 7:3:

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

There is equal blame to be placed on all sides...both pubs and dems...both President Obama and Rep Boehner.
The day you decide to man up and hold the Pubs as responsible for this mess as you do the dems is the day you gain some credibility.
Marshall KE4ZNR

[elk2370bruce]

Originally Posted by N1RGR

That is just plain wrong Bruce. The President has NOT met with Republican leaders in weeks. I respectfully challenge you to prove me wrong on this point.

Then you do agree tha that they have met. I have not specified when the meetings did occur. I believe that the Speaker has said that (at least some) telephone discussions have also occurred regularly. Unless Congress is completely inept (a real possibility) staffers are working behind the scenes to pick up the pieces in finding common groups for bipartisan acceptance (without giving up some vague ideological principle) for face saving values.



Do you agree we need to cut spending? Do we also agree that raising taxes,continued spending and more stimulus is NOT the answer? Keep in mind the President also wants executive power to raise the debt ceiling when ever he See's fit. Where do you stand on these issues?

Yes! I do heartily agree that significant spending cuts are necessary. That includes entitlement programs. Obama is not offering enough cuts and the "stimulus" proposal is dangerous. On the other hand, revenue geneation requires some Republican concessions that have not (until the last few days) have been blocked by house and senate republican leadership. I reiterate my statement that NEITHER party has addressed the needs and desires of the American public and remain on their soapboxes spouting narrow and self-serving partisan ideologies that solve nothing. At least, in the 19th Century, the occasional fistfight on the house or senate floor ended with some cooperation and compromise. These two "C" terms do not seem to have any meaning to either party. In this ongoing game of chicken, only the American public loses and are so entrenched that the daily CSPAN only visually displays this nonsensical intransigence. Executive and legislative branches have forgotten the peo[ple that put them in office as their pursue their alpha male dononance interests.

[Jim41]

Originally Posted by N1RGR

With gloom and doom looming on the horizon it seems once again the President has FAILED to lead in this fiscal cliff hanger. Why has the President NOT met with Republicans? The dems proposal to increase taxes and spend more is absolutly absured! This proves that the dems are NOT willing to compimise yet everybody is posied to blame the Republicans if a deal is not struck!

The real issue is why the Congressional Democrats and Republicans (in the House and Senate) have not passed legislation to deal with this fiscal cliff issue. If they were serious, they could send the President a veto proof bill. The Congress has had ample time to address this issue. Congress put off facing the issue until after the election. Well, the election is over. The time has arrived. You should be asking your Congressional delegation why the Congress hasn't acted.

Jim41

[elk2370bruce]

That's why our Congress (both houses - both parties) have the lowest rate of bill passage and public credibility in its sordid history.
Of course there is time but Congressional stooges and ideological followers couldn' evacuate the Congressional pub due to a fire in less than five days of nonsensical debate and childish bickering. Its more fun for them to kick the can down the road until the last possible nanosecond. It get more headlines that way. I don't think they even remember what bipartisan consensus is beause its been so long since they attempted it.

[kb2vxa]

Oh stop it! Rather than squabbling like the 2 parties work on your short term memory loss. They pulled the very same "Whatever it is I'm against it!" Groucho Marx song and dance last year and at the 11th hour pulled the rabbit patiently waiting in the hat out.

[wingmaker]

It will all work out, theres always ups and downs, its the rythmm of life, but it can be overcomed if we would all just Think with the Heart and learn to Identify with it instead of the mind and ego witch is lost in seperation, but in time we will bring these tools of expression into alignment with the tool of expression of the soul the heart. The ego and mind will become a tool of the soul, but for now is caught up in the distortions and distractions of our current culture, that dont touch us in any significant way that part in us that needs awoken, in most instances this is purposefully done by those that dont want us to wake up and also us not realizing were bumping into these walls everyday that keep our Inner Light dimmed. Its also more then both sides its us to, and its just not here its all over, the planet, all in all we need to come together as a species, we need to make invisible the things that keep us seperate from eachother and most importantly the Light Within, because when that wakes up in every human there will be no more seperation, this is not a near term thing but nonetheless a destiny humantiy will attain. It is already starting

I can think of 2 things they can pass right now, Bush tax cuts for middle class so they keep going and Tax the top 2%, but all in all we need to fix the whole Tax system and many other key systems in the US and the world.

LOVE AND BLESSINGS

[Dude111]

Originally Posted by N1RGR

Why has the President NOT met with Republicans?

The bottom line my friend is HE DOESNT CARE!!!!!! -- He wants this to happen!

[N1RGR]

Originally Posted by KE4ZNR

How about you answer my question first...when have you EVER
held your precious Pubs/GOP up to the same standards you demand
of the Dems? When have you EVER criticized any GOP/Pub/Conservative?
The truth is you never have. You spew a never ending diatribe against
anything dem/left while turning a blind eye when it comes the Pubs.

Actually I came out against Richard Mourdock's abortion comments a few months back. As a matter of fact If I remember correctly I mentioned your name after the comment just so you would take note.

Originally Posted by KE4ZNR

As far as religion, you would be wise to remember Matthew 7:3:

You know that's one of my biggest sins...well that and weekend beer binges!

Originally Posted by KE4ZNR

The day you decide to man up and hold the Pubs as responsible for this mess as you do the dems is the day you gain some credibility.
Marshall KE4ZNR

My credibility keeps you coming back Marshall.

[kayn1n32008]

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Originally Posted by N1RGR

My credibility keeps you coming back Marshall.

Your LACK of credibility keeps me coming back. I find your blind allegiance to the Republicans humorous. The face that you refuse to hold the Republicans to the same standard that you hold the democrats really highlights your ignorance to those who are responsible for the problems the US faces.

[N1RGR]

Originally Posted by kayn1n32008

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Your LACK of credibility keeps me coming back. I find your blind allegiance to the Republicans humorous. The face that you refuse to hold the Republicans to the same standard that you hold the democrats really highlights your ignorance to those who are responsible for the problems the US faces.

Thanks for all the kind words kayn.

You are correct about my allegiance to the Republican party! However if they sway away from the conservative principals that I believe in,I will most certainly call them out for it! If the Republicans cave in on the tax and spend agenda the Dems are proposing I promise you I will be the first one on here calling them out!

Raising taxes and continued spending is NOT the solution to our problems. Out of control spending and bloated government is the problem preventing any solution my friend! Wake up and smell the coffee

We have become a society of handouts and entitlements. Spend more and tax more and then blame any resistance on the Republicans. You my friend are the blind one.

[kayn1n32008]

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No, the lack of COMPROMISE on behalf of BOTH parties is what's to blame, NOT JUST THE DEMOCRATS.

The Democrats are HALF the problem, the other half is the REPUBLICANS.

YOU, respectfuly, are the one with the blinders on sir not I.

[N1RGR]

Originally Posted by elk2370bruce

That's why our Congress (both houses - both parties) have the lowest rate of bill passage and public credibility in its sordid history.
Of course there is time but Congressional stooges and ideological followers couldn' evacuate the Congressional pub due to a fire in less than five days of nonsensical debate and childish bickering. Its more fun for them to kick the can down the road until the last possible nanosecond. It get more headlines that way. I don't think they even remember what bipartisan consensus is beause its been so long since they attempted it.

This is where we need the President to lead! Once again....FAILURE!

[Michael-SATX]

N1RGR, I am your ol' pal from another thread ....ha come back I miss you )
OK, I'll go run along and play over in my "painfully long" 9/11 thoughts thread
but I wanted to stop in and say that I don't think much of Obama's leadership
either and I have no idea how that fraud got re-elected - we're in trouble !!!

I can promise you that I would NOT be very popular in Washington DC.
The special Interest Club would not appreciate the term limits I would want.
The "professional politician" rQQsting in office for 30 to 40 years has
NOT severd this country very well breeding lots of greed and corruption.
It would be GREat if lets say 1NRGR got 5 years then out, then rdale then out,
the ZZ for another 5 then out and of course Warren would have his turn to serve
then out you go ~ No medical Insurance and $alary for life - low on the perks too !
We'd all go back to our lives and actually have to work for a living and not take.
We have "more takers than makers" and that among MANY things are heading
our precious country right over the Fiscal Cliff. This is way easier that my other
thread as these money matters should be a matter of just common sense period.

ps ~ This is very appropriate thread and thanks to N1RGR for starting it up !

btw ~ Quick N1RGR, does your research show O'Bumbles is even eligible to be the president ?
Myself and many others say No, Barry was born in Kenya and should not be ruining things !
The man 1st says that his short certificate was "all there was" and then back around during
the Trumpster coverage he then magically produces the 2nd long form birth certifcate ~ Hmm ?

Bottom line ~ Theodore Roosevelt said it best so long ago when he said that:
"Presidents in this country are not elected ~ they are selected".
Seeing how Mitt and the Republicans did not call out "O" has serious NWO implications!