What Nexts?

[kc0vgj]

Jan 3, 2013 – President Barack Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act

[kc0vgj]

Bill Number S.1867 to the NDAA.

[rdale]

Originally Posted by elk2370bruce

When such a stupid bill is introduced (and there are many that fit that category) did the House also pass such a bill?

It's not a stupid bill... People took some of the language out of context, applied their own interpretation which doesn't come close to what it actually means (legally), and spread it around as part of some conspiracy.

Comparing what happened in New Orleans after Katrina 1) can only come from someone completely clueless about New Orleans and 2) cannot be compared to anything outside of New Orleans in a massive catastrophe.

[JoeyC]

Originally Posted by kc0vgj

1) What right do the police or military have to force entry into my home withou a warrent?
2) What Right do the police or military have to take any-one's guns from good people homes?

Get yourself a civil rights attorney.

I'm sure there is more than one willing to work pro bono if the facts are as you state, although I'm pretty sure you are not grasping the gravity of the situation as it was at the time and are responding to emotion and dismissing common sense and safety issues that were imminent at the time.

When you win your case, you will be all over the national news as well.

[rdale]

Originally Posted by crashoverride1

a good web site to go to is infowars.com or prissionplant.com alex jones tell as it is.

No... No... Those are horribly inaccurate websites. Read my note about AM radio preachers. Nobody would listen to them if they just to.d the truth.

[zz0468]

Originally Posted by crashoverride1

...but a good web site to go to is infowars.com or prissionplant.com alex jones tell as it is.

Both of those websites promote the thoughts and ideas of right-wing extremists, and should not be considered to be at all factual.

[mikepdx]

from NY Times story:
NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 8 - Waters were receding across this flood-beaten city today as
police officers began confiscating weapons, including legally registered firearms...

Originally Posted by kc0vgj

No civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to carry pistols, shotguns or other firearms,
said P. Edwin Compass III, the superintendent of police.
"Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons," he said.

What a scumbag traitor.
He IS a criminal by violating the supreme law of the land.

Undoubtedly, King George III, at the cusp of the Revolutionary war
said only the King's soldiers are permitted to have weapons.

We all know the final outcome of the Revolutionary war.

[rdale]

Originally Posted by mikepdx

What a scumbag traitor.
He IS a criminal by violating the supreme law of the land.

Mike - sorry you were misled by someone taking things out of context. This statement occurred 8 years ago, and was not enforced. It was a quote for TV.

[Net-5]

For those of you questioning if law enforcement can legally enter a premises without a warrant, they can because there are exceptions to the warrant requirement. One exception is called exigent circumstances, things such as hot pursuit, to prevent the imminent destruction of evidence, etc. Google the term exigent circumstances for more info. Facts supporting a warrantless search have to be articulated in justifying the search absent a warrant, or else a defense attorney or a judge can suppress the evidence if the police were doing something they should not have.

Courts in general also tend to be much more strict when reviewing the circumstances of warrantless searches, too. (This can vary by state.) There have to be sound, articulable facts behind what the officers do. Some of you make it sound like the police just bust in on a whim and do whatever they please. In my experience that is simply untrue, although I can only vouch for my own experiences.

There is also no warrant required generally for a search incident to arrest and/or for an inventory search. Look up the terms if you want, but keep in mind that the Internet is not the best place to get legal advice.

And to the OP, I think there is more to your story than the police just showing up, taking guns and not giving them back. Is your brother a felon? Maybe that is why they did not return the gun. Instead of filling in the gaps with your paranoia, why not call the agency involved and find out why the gun(s) were not returned before jumping to the conclusions of power mad police fixing to take your rights away?

[kc0vgj]

Net - 5
My sister has no record nor does my brother. They did this after hurricane Katrina hit. The went door to door. Alls I can say is look it up your self and see what they did to the people. You basically answer my question one and two question and I guess the Constitution of rights went out the door then.

So?? Now what?? With holes this big they can walk all over us. there nothing i can do about that..
Well I guess this ends this debate.

[crashoverride1]

wow thats big.

[zz0468]

For those asking, this article in the New York Times has the rest of the story:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/09/na...torm.html?_r=0

Originally Posted by kc0vgj

So?? Now what?? With holes this big they can walk all over us. there nothing i can do about that...

Yeah, pretty much. I guess it sucks to be you under those circumstances.

Originally Posted by kc0vgj

Well I guess this ends this debate.

I hope so.

People don't seem to realize that the government can wield considerable legal power under extraordinary circumstances and there isn't a whole lot, constitutionally, that can be done about it. Because it's not automatically unconstitutional.

The aftermath of Katrina was essentially a war zone with people taking shots at anything that moved. My son was in the Army, flying helicopters for humanitarian aid missions and he took more small arms fire in New Orleans than he did during 6 tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. That is why the decision was made to take guns from people.

[Net-5]

Originally Posted by kc0vgj

Net - 5
My sister has no record nor does my brother. They did this after hurricane Katrina hit. The went door to door. Alls I can say is look it up your self and see what they did to the people. You basically answer my question one and two question and I guess the Constitution of rights went out the door then.

So?? Now what?? With holes this big they can walk all over us. there nothing i can do about that..
Well I guess this ends this debate.

There is a reason the weapons were not returned. Whether out of incompetence or otherwise. The police are quite capable of making mistakes, just like everyone else. They could have screwed up and forgot. Why not try asking them? Maybe your family has a case against them.

Meanwhile, the Constitution has not "went right out the door." If that were true then things would be vastly different than they are, even now. But all too often people only see what they want to see.

People can choose to believe whatever they like. However, this sort of paranoid, malignant radicalization has it's price.

[N1RGR]

Originally Posted by Net-5

People can choose to believe whatever they like. However, this sort of paranoid, malignant radicalization has it's price.

Explain why the people should trust the government to protect their constitutional rights? By the way,does anybody remember Ruby Ridge? That's the price!

[rdale]

Originally Posted by N1RGR

does anybody remember Ruby Ridge?

If you set up an illegal operation with drug smuggling, crimes against minors, and more -- you should expect to pay a price! Good call RGR...

[Net-5]

Originally Posted by rdale

If you set up an illegal operation with drug smuggling, crimes against minors, and more -- you should expect to pay a price! Good call RGR...

The ATF and the FBI screwed up very badly (and got away with) what they did at Ruby Ridge.

But who put their family into the position of being in that situation in the first place, by committing a crime? And by embracing beliefs that would justify those actions? Sadly, Randy Weaver did.

This in no way means that the government was justified in how they handled it. But if Randy Weaver had never started the sequence of events that involved law enforcement in the first place then things would not have happened the way they did.

And this is what I mean by "...this sort of paranoid, malignant radicalization has it's price."

[N1RGR]

Originally Posted by rdale

If you set up an illegal operation with drug smuggling, crimes against minors, and more -- you should expect to pay a price! Good call RGR...

Getting shot in the back for not coperating with the FBI should NOT be the price.

[rapidcharger]

This administration and of course congress was put in to office by the gun lobby. More guns have been sold under this president than any other before him. I assure you that you have nothing to worry about.

Besides, it's imperative that enough guns are sold so that they can be stolen and smuggled across the border so we can continue to fight the drug war.

Try a little less church radio and corporate panic TV

[kc0vgj]

So whats your opinion on obama's gun control speach?

[Robinsmark]

CNN And Piers Morgan ah yes! His flawed argument is that the 2nd amendment only applies to muskets,flintlocks and muzzle loading rifles...not AK47 s. OK Sooo... using his logic then the 1st amendment freedom of speech must only apply to the printed or spoken words since there was no internet text messaging, radio, TV or cell phones when the 1st amendment was drafted. That is the functional equivalent of his argument about firearms. He should go back to England and stop telling us how to run our government!