Hagel Blocked!

[N1RGR]

Originally Posted by rapidcharger

Are you sure about that because it sure seems like it is. The republicans want to tax the begeebers out of lower and middle income people and cut taxes only to the wealthiest. Don't you read their proposals before becoming a supporter?

Get it right Republicans want to CUT entitlement spending and Democrats wants to create more revenue by raising taxes! Im not sure where your getting your info from but its flawed!

Originally Posted by rapidcharger

How can you not trust him? He was a bankster, an oil man and the CEO of a company that makes electronic voting machines. He's clearly a true american patriot who loves this country. He's living the "American DreamTM"

The guy supports terrorist organizations such as the PLO, Hezbollah and Hamas! Its no surprise Hagel is also against any military option to stop Iran's nuclear program.

Originally Posted by rapidcharger

What statements might those be?

Go back and read my post #517. Not only his statements but his actions!

[Confuzzled]

Originally Posted by N1RGR

Are you kidding? Israel is constantly under attack by radical Islamic groups in the region who are funded by none other than Iran and Syria!

If Israel would mind their own business and stop provoking others, they wouldn't be attacked.

So you are perfectly comfortable with a nuclear Iran in the region? You don't consider that a threat to our national security or to the stability of the Middle East? The world can't afford a nuclear Iran!

It could be a needed counterbalance to a nuclear Israel and bring stability to the area.

We have to remember that the capitol of the United States in Washington DC, not Tel Aviv. Israel cannot be allowed to make on influence US policy. That alone is one of the major reasons so many other countries and people around the world don't like the US. Israel and US support for Israel are largely responsible for much of the so-called terrorism around the world over the last 50 years.

Israel is a small, insignificant sliver of sand and should be treated as such.


Oh, by the way, your buddy was Confirmed despite temporary interference.

[Confuzzled]

Originally Posted by ff-medic

My belief is they should pick someone whom has experiecne with the military, and not some political hack.

Generals and Admirals in the CIA, NSA, DIA...ect.

Other way around. 'Civilians' should be in charge of all military operations. Checks and balances, one of the basics of a civilized government.

Same way with all public safety agencies ... 'civilian' oversight should be mandatory.

[N1RGR]

Originally Posted by Confuzzled

If Israel would mind their own business and stop provoking others, they wouldn't be attacked.

Thousands of rockets fired into Israel by the terrorist organizations such as Hamas and Hezbollah is considered non-provoking and acceptable behavior?

Originally Posted by Confuzzled

It could be a needed counterbalance to a nuclear Israel and bring stability to the area.

Stability to the region??? Are you talking about the same Iran who sponsors terrorist activity around the globe? Are you talking about the Iran who said it wanted to wipe Israel off the map? Are you talking about the Iran who is responsible for the killing of American soldiers in Iraq? Are you talking about the country who is helping NK with its nuclear program? Are you talking about the axis of evil Iran who plotted to assassinate the ambassador of Saudi Arabia right here on US soil? And you trust Iran will bring stability in the region? Stability....What are you nuts? I think your tag says it all...confuzzled!

Originally Posted by Confuzzled

We have to remember that the capitol of the United States in Washington DC, not Tel Aviv. Israel cannot be allowed to make on influence US policy. That alone is one of the major reasons so many other countries and people around the world don't like the US. Israel and US support for Israel are largely responsible for much of the so-called terrorism around the world over the last 50 years.

I bet you Blame the US for the 9/11 attacks. If so you should be ashamed! What a disgrace!

Originally Posted by Confuzzled

Israel is a small, insignificant sliver of sand and should be treated as such.

Israel is just like us...they believe in freedom and democracy unlike Iran or the other Arab nations who surround Israel.

Originally Posted by Confuzzled

Oh, by the way, your buddy was Confirmed despite temporary interference.

Today is a sad day!
Remember this about Hagel:

1.) In July 2006, Hagel called on President Bush to demand an immediate cease-fire when Israel retaliated against Hezbollah after the terrorist group attacked Israel, killed and abducted IDF soldiers, and fired rockets at Israeli civilians. Hagel said: “This madness must stop,” and accused Israel of “the systematic destruction of an American friend — the country and people of Lebanon.”

2.) Hagel also accused Israel of carrying out a quote “sickening slaughter''.

3.) Hagel also called on Israel to retreat from the Golan Heights, the West Bank, and much of Jerusalem, including the Jewish Quarter of the Old City and the Western Wall.

4.) Hagel was the only one out of 12 senators who refused to sign a letter asking the EU to declare Hezbollah a terrorist organization.

5.) Hagel signed a public letter urging President Obama to open direct negotiations with Hamas.

6.) Hagel refused to call Yasser Arafat a terrorist.

7.) Hagel was the only U.S. Senator who refused to sign an American Jewish Committee ad in the New York Times asking Russian President Boris Yeltsin to combat anti-Semitism in Russia.

[rapidcharger]

Originally Posted by N1RGR

Get it right Republicans want to CUT entitlement spending and Democrats wants to create more revenue by raising taxes! Im not sure where your getting your info from but its flawed! )))

But why do you want to cut things that we're all entitled to?

en·ti·tle (n-ttl)
tr.v. en·ti·tled, en·ti·tling, en·ti·tles
1. To give a name or title to.
2. To furnish with a right or claim to something: The coupon entitles the bearer to a 25 percent savings. Every citizen is entitled to equal protection under the law.

And why are so so against that kind of spending but so in favor of military spending when the military spending we do is not to make us safer but instead to meddle in the politics of other countries?

Originally Posted by N1RGR

(((Hagel is also against any military option to stop Iran's nuclear program.)))

What if Iran talked about military action to stop our nuclear program?
So the guy wants to use diplomatic means first. So does John McCain and Mitt Romney.
IMO we should stop getting involved in disputes between other sovereign nations.
Iran claims they aren't using their nuke technology for bomb making, Meanwhile we have another country literally setting off nuclear bombs and telling their people that America is the enemy and not one peep about military action against them.

It's sort of like a bully going to up to some kid and saying "You're a nerdy loser" and then the kid pulls out a pair of brass knuckles and says "I'll meet you after school" and then the bully wusssies out.

[elk2370bruce]

Despite all of the negative and justifiable comments made by Republican Senators (and mirrored here), my original thoughts have come true. Hagel was confirmed by the Senate after the wasted effort of hearings and attempted bargaining effort to pry more information about Benghazi from YoMomma. This proves my earlier (and oft repeated) charge that hypocracy and political cronyism rules the roost in the Sewer on the Potomac. All of Congress (that means both chambers and both mutually exclusive ideological social clubs) need to, as Speaker Bonehead stated yesterday, that EVERYONE needs to get off their *** and start thinking about the needs and desires of the American people rather than maintain the box score of meaningless, partisan victories. Neither the executive nor legislislative branches of government have any source of pride or accomplishment during this Congressional session. Once again, our nation is a laughing stock on the world stage due to our lack of legislative common sense and the complete unwillingness to compromise nor cooperate. Both sides pontificate that the American people have lost all faith, trust, and confidence in our nation's capitol. Both sides are correct! "and the beat goes on".

[Confuzzled]

Originally Posted by N1RGR

Thousands of rockets fired into Israel by the terrorist organizations such as Hamas and Hezbollah is considered non-provoking and acceptable behavior?

None of that would be happening if Israel hadn't playing the bully for so long.

Stability to the region???

Somebody has to stand up to Israel.

I bet you Blame the US for the 9/11 attacks.

That and various other incidents are in direct response to US interference in the business of others. Spin it however you will.

Israel is just like us...they believe in freedom and democracy

Is that why they demand people do things their way? Have their own laws in New York? Their own ambulance and rescue services?

[N1RGR]

Originally Posted by Confuzzled

None of that would be happening if Israel hadn't playing the bully for so long.

Somebody has to stand up to Israel.

Israel a bully??? I can't believe you are defending people who blow up buses,strap bombs to themselves and walk into a busy market place and detonate it killing inocent women and children. And you say Israel is the bully here? First of all the land they acquired during the 67 war is rightfully theirs! Israel does not have to give an inch of it up. Yet even though time and time again Israel gives in they continue to get attacked. Nothing is ever good enough for terrosist groups like Hamas or Hezbollah! They pledge no less then the complete destruction of Israel. And you defend them and call Israel the bully? Do you Remember all the Palestinians who were cheering in the streets after 9/11. I for one will never forget that!

Originally Posted by Confuzzled

That and various other incidents are in direct response to US interference in the business of others. Spin it however you will.

Are you suggesting that Al Qaeda terrorists were justified in the killing of three thousand Americans on 9/11 because of American interference in the business of others?

Originally Posted by Confuzzled

Is that why they demand people do things their way? Have their own laws in New York? Their own ambulance and rescue services?

Demanding what??? What the heck are you talking about?

[feets]

Originally Posted by N1RGR

Israel a bully??? I can't believe you are defending people who blow up buses,strap bombs to themselves and walk into a busy market place and detonate it killing inocent women and children. And you say Israel is the bully here? First of all the land they acquired during the 67 war is rightfully theirs! Israel does not have to give an inch of it up. Yet even though time and time again Israel gives in they continue to get attacked. Nothing is ever good enough for terrosist groups like Hamas or Hezbollah! They pledge no less then the complete destruction of Israel. And you defend them and call Israel the bully? Do you Remember all the Palestinians who were cheering in the streets after 9/11. I for one will never forget that!



Are you suggesting that Al Qaeda terrorists were justified in the killing of three thousand Americans on 9/11 because of American interference in the business of others?



Demanding what??? What the heck are you talking about?

I highly recommend you spend some time learning some history. Your very ignorant on Israel's past. Of course Israel is a bully. They are expansionists by force. Nothing has happened to Israel that was not brought on by their own actions no matter how you may prefer your revised version of history.

I also should point out that American Zionist's overwhelmingly vote Democratic. The last election was no different. Obama won the Jewish vote. I supposes if they voted for the man, they get what they asked for. Don't ya think?

[rapidcharger]

Originally Posted by N1RGR

Israel a bully??? I can't believe you are defending people who blow up buses,strap bombs to themselves and walk into a busy market place and detonate it killing inocent women and children. And you say Israel is the bully here? First of all the land they acquired during the 67 war is rightfully theirs! Israel does not have to give an inch of it up. Yet even though time and time again Israel gives in they continue to get attacked. Nothing is ever good enough for terrosist groups like Hamas or Hezbollah! They pledge no less then the complete destruction of Israel. And you defend them and call Israel the bully? Do you Remember all the Palestinians who were cheering in the streets after 9/11. I for one will never forget that!

Any reasonable person could look at the actions Israel has taken and concluded their hands are unclean.

Agreeing to stop building settlements and then building them anyway is just one thing, blocking aid shipments is another. The latest thing seems to be bulldozing farms of people who have owned them for many years. I'm not taking sides but Israel has a strong military. I don't see why we need to go kicking Iranian ant hills.
This is just a big distraction. Look at all the things we aren't talking about because we're busy talking about this. Remember the economy? Yeah, me neither.

[Confuzzled]

Israel has long been the provocateur in the region, but I guess we'll never get the board Rabbi to see it that way.

[feets]

Ever try to get someone to see his wife beater son is a piece of garbage? It's not going to happen. People believe what they want, no matter what their eyes see or what the facts are.

[elk2370bruce]

The Middle East has been gridlocked with centuries of war even before the time of the Exodus when returning Jews tossed the arabs off of the lands held by their families for generations. Over these several thousand years, no one in the region is squeaky clean nor worthy of consideration. Suuni and Shiites have been killing each other over which sect is the "true" practice of Islam since the 13th century. Each and every group has the blood of all of the others on their hands. Sometimes I think they don't want to stop hating each other just so they continue these ancient blood feuds.

[com501]

Nuke 'em all and let their Gods sort it out.....

[N1RGR]

Originally Posted by Confuzzled

Israel has long been the provocateur in the region, but I guess we'll never get the board Rabbi to see it that way.

Here's a test for ya Confuzzled...did the Palestinians cheering in the streets after 9/11 piss you off? If it did not your NOT an American! Stand up for your country and the other countries in the world who are just like us! Now take a long hard look at that flag on my avatar and come back and give your answer. If you dare!

[rapidcharger]

Originally Posted by N1RGR

Here's a test for ya Confuzzled...did the Palestinians cheering in the streets after 9/11 piss you off? If it did not your NOT an American! Stand up for your country and the other countries in the world who are just like us! Now take a long hard look at that flag on my avatar and come back and give your answer. If you dare!

Are you saying Israel is just like us?
In what ways?!

Does the flag in your avatar have a star of david on it?

[feets]

I'll say it.

Palestinians cheering in the streets on 9/11 did not piss me off.

Why should it?

[N1RGR]

Originally Posted by feets

I'll say it.

Palestinians cheering in the streets on 9/11 did not piss me off.

Why should it?

Because they were cheering the death of 3,000 Americans at the hand of Islamic terrorists!!! What the heck??

[feets]

Originally Posted by N1RGR

Because they were cheering the death of 3,000 Americans at the hand of Islamic terrorists!!! What the heck??

They didn't do the deed. I believe that was done by Al-CIA-duh. Saudis in Afganistan. Why don't you have the same hatred for Saudi Arabia? Because they killed 3000 but it's okay since they didn't cheer about it?

Sure the Palestinians hate us. Of course they would cheer. I bet they'll cheer when Kalifornia shakes itself into the ocean.

I would cheer if North Korea blew itself up with a dud nuke tipped rocket. So what? I doubt they would be surprised about my cheer.

The Palestinians cheered. Big whoop. They didn't do 9/11. It doesn't piss me off because I already knew they hated us.

Now, if the UK had cheered in the streets, I'd be pissed off. But they didn't, not openly anyway. I think you would be better served to learn why the Palestinians cheered and quit letting the media decide what you should be mad about.

[N1RGR]

Originally Posted by feets

They didn't do the deed. I believe that was done by Al-CIA-duh. Saudis in Afganistan.

Say what???

Originally Posted by feets

Why don't you have the same hatred for Saudi Arabia? Because they killed 3000 but it's okay since they didn't cheer about it?

The government of Saudi Arabia did not kill 3.000 Americans. Where did you get that info from MSNBC or CNN? Dont let the liberal bias news media cloud your vision!

Originally Posted by feets

Sure the Palestinians hate us. Of course they would cheer. I bet they'll cheer when Kalifornia shakes itself into the ocean.

How much do we give them in aid? Just like Pakistan Billions in aid so they gave safe haven to Osama! If that doesn't tick you off Im not sure anything will. Screw them!

Originally Posted by feets

I would cheer if North Korea blew itself up with a dud nuke tipped rocket. So what? I doubt they would be surprised about my cheer.

Would you cheer if Iran blew itself up?

Originally Posted by feets

The Palestinians cheered. Big whoop. They didn't do 9/11. It doesn't piss me off because I already knew they hated us.

I never forget those who spit on our flag. But thats just me.

Originally Posted by feets

Now, if the UK had cheered in the streets, I'd be pissed off. But they didn't, not openly anyway. I think you would be better served to learn why the Palestinians cheered and quit letting the media decide what you should be mad about.

The media does not decide what I should be mad about...its called common sence! Show some pride of your country!