Legislation reinstating the draft

[mikepdx]

WASHINGTON, D.C. - Congressman Charles B. Rangel introduced legislation
on Friday that would reintroduce the draft and would require all women
to register for the Selective Service.

"Reinstating the draft and requiring women to register for the
Selective Service would compel the American public
to have a stake in the wars we fight as a nation".

Rangel to Introduce Legislation Reinstating Draft | Congressman Charles Rangel

The bill includes both women and men.

This is the first time I've ever agreed with Rangel.
It's time to give some of the current crop of
young punks/pukes their comeuppance
by finding out up close what discipline is all about.

We'll be a much better society for it.

[Highpockets]

Originally Posted by mikepdx

WASHINGTON, D.C. - Congressman Charles B. Rangel introduced legislation
on Friday that would reintroduce the draft and would require all women
to register for the Selective Service.

"Reinstating the draft and requiring women to register for the
Selective Service would compel the American public
to have a stake in the wars we fight as a nation".

Rangel to Introduce Legislation Reinstating Draft | Congressman Charles Rangel

The bill includes both women and men.

This is the first time I've ever agreed with Rangel.
It's time to give some of the current crop of
young punks/pukes their comeuppance
by finding out up close what discipline is all about.

We'll be a much better society for it.

I agree, I think it would be a good thing for the country, a little discipline and self respect goes a long way. Let's see how much support the bill will get. I don't think the younger generation of today will be to enthused with this idea.

[rapidcharger]

He's completely lost his marbles.

[Highpockets]

Originally Posted by rapidcharger

He's completely lost his marbles.

Why do you say that? What's wrong with a draft?

[trsundstrom]

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My problem with Rangel is he cheated on his income taxes, c.f. http://baudwalking.blogspot.com/2011...and-media.html. Dunno about the draft business, though. The next world war will (IMHO) be push-button. The mess in Syria is a powder keg; the press agencies SANA and AJ give an interesting contrast. Sorry about dragging the topic askew...

[rapidcharger]

Originally Posted by Highpockets

Why do you say that? What's wrong with a draft?

Do we need one? Are we in so many wars right now that we just don't have enough personnel in the armed services? What happened to personal liberties and freedoms?

[Highpockets]

Originally Posted by rapidcharger

Do we need one? Are we in so many wars right now that we just don't have enough personnel in the armed services? What happened to personal liberties and freedoms?

Who the hell fights for your personal liberties and freedoms, why not give everyone a taste of doing that. Our president wants everyone to pay their fare share, why not with the military also, why wait until there is war or conflict. It would also take people off the streets and also give people that don't have a job a living with Medical/Dental Care also they will have a chance to get an education, especially in the Navy and Air Force. Israel does it and it seems to work very well for them, it teaches a little discipline and self respect. And a good feeling that you did something for your country, or would you want to be one of those that get a free ride, hit the streets and cry for their liberties and freedoms and give nothing except their mouth.

Put it this way, it won't hurt you, it will only make you a better person, and in case of future wars you'd have a heads up on some training, and understand what the military is all about.

The training I received taught me alot about life in general, and I use some of that training even today.

[rapidcharger]

Originally Posted by Highpockets

Who the hell fights for your personal liberties and freedoms, why not give everyone a taste of doing that. Our president wants everyone to pay their fare share, why not with the military also, why wait until there is war or conflict. It would also take people off the streets and also give people that don't have a job a living with Medical/Dental Care also they will have a chance to get an education, especially in the Navy and Air Force. Israel does it and it seems to work very well for them, it teaches a little discipline and self respect. And a good feeling that you did something for your country, or would you want to be one of those that get a free ride, hit the streets and cry for their liberties and freedoms and give nothing except their mouth.

Put it this way, it won't hurt you, it will only make you a better person, and in case of future wars you'd have a heads up on some training, and understand what the military is all about.

The training I received taught me alot about life in general, and I use some of that training even today.

Sounds like a great government program. When you describe it like that, even I would sign up for the free healthcare alone.
How do you suppose we pay for something like that with the huge debt and all?
Healthcare and education are very expensive you know. Can't have every last man, woman and child freeloading on the government teat.

[Highpockets]

Originally Posted by rapidcharger

Sounds like a great government program. When you describe it like that, even I would sign up for the free healthcare alone.
How do you suppose we pay for something like that with the huge debt and all?
Healthcare and education are very expensive you know. Can't have every last man, woman and child freeloading on the government teat.

Why, many of them are doing that now, why not work for it and give something back while they are doing it. And while your working for it and paying taxes, it's not freeloading.

The military is not like it used to be, now there is many opportunities for education and as long as your willing to learn they will advance your education.

[rapidcharger]

Originally Posted by Highpockets

Why, many of them are doing that now, why not work for it and give something back while they are doing it.

Many are doing what now?

[Highpockets]

Originally Posted by rapidcharger

Many are doing what now?

Freeloading, read my post.

[rapidcharger]

Originally Posted by Highpockets

Freeloading, read my post.

How so? In what areas specifically, is freeloading occurring?

[rapidcharger]

On second thought, I see how the government treats its veterans...

Yeah... No thanks.

[Highpockets]

Originally Posted by rapidcharger

How so? In what areas specifically, is freeloading occurring?

Free cell phones, birth control, health care for all to name a few, where in the Constitution does it say the government has to supply them.

[Highpockets]

Originally Posted by rapidcharger

On second thought, I see how the government treats its veterans...

Yeah... No thanks.

There are some areas that the veterans could receive better treatment, I'll agree there, but, right now private organizations/charities actually do a better job then the government and have taken giant steps in the process. Wounded Warriors is one, I donate to them when I can.

[rapidcharger]

Originally Posted by Highpockets

Free cell phones, birth control, health care for all to name a few

So what you're saying is instead of private organizations providing things like birth control and healthcare, you instead want the government to do it for everyone that gets drafted. And from the sounds of things you want everyone to be drafted so they can all learn to have good manners. That would make us a military state. Military states are extremely expensive to operate. Just as North Korea.
It would have to involve raising taxes, something you've been at odds with in other posts.

Originally Posted by Highpockets

where in the Constitution does it say the government has to supply them.

Where in the constitution does it say the government doesn't have to supply them?
Better yet, where in the constitution does it say everyone should be forced to serve in the military?

Oh that's right, people actively serving in the military don't have constitutional protections. I thought you were a fan of the constitution.

[Highpockets]

Originally Posted by rapidcharger

So what you're saying is instead of private organizations providing things like birth control and healthcare, you instead want the government to do it for everyone that gets drafted. And from the sounds of things you want everyone to be drafted so they can all learn to have good manners. That would make us a military state. Military states are extremely expensive to operate. Just as North Korea.
It would have to involve raising taxes, something you've been at odds with in other posts.


Where in the constitution does it say the government doesn't have to supply them?
Better yet, where in the constitution does it say everyone should be forced to serve in the military?

Oh that's right, people actively serving in the military don't have constitutional protections. I thought you were a fan of the constitution.

WTF is the matter with you, I will not continue to exchange posts with you, trying to twist my words will not get it, grow up, get an education and then come back and when you can communicate like an adult we'll talk.

[kc0vgj]

I support the troops and only the men and women fighting for our rights to be free. This includes the vets and MARS members.

My concerns with the military now is the new army manual asking if I would shoot Americans on the home grounds during civil unrest. According to the constitution it is illegal to have a standing army for more than 2 years, and having boots on the ground in the home land is illegal too. The loop hole with the 2 years thing is that we are always at war.(example: WWI, WWII, Vietnam War, Korea War, Cold War,ect.)

Now solders have the powers to arrest you and me without due-process, and soon bust down your door and take your guns. DHS now using targets with pitchers of kids with guns, Ma & Pa with guns, and pregnant women with a gun. " See Pic Below:

So Why would I want to join a military like that?

[rdale]

Originally Posted by kc0vgj

My concerns with the military now is the new army manual asking if I would shoot Americans on the home grounds during civil unrest. According to the constitution it is illegal to have a standing army for more than 2 years, and having boots on the ground in the home land is illegal too. The loop hole with the 2 years thing is that we are always at war.(example: WWI, WWII, Vietnam War, Korea War, Cold War,ect.)

Now solders have the powers to arrest you and me without due-process, and soon bust down your door and take your guns. DHS now using targets with pitchers of kids with guns, Ma & Pa with guns, and pregnant women with a gun. " See Pic Below:

So Why would I want to join a military like that?

I quoted the whole thing so you wouldn't edit later...

That is so whacked its not even funny. There isn't one shred of truth anywhere in your post. Are you lying on purpose? A troll? Or just listening to your local preacher on AM radio?

[kc0vgj]

Ok Rdale let me wash your muddy face so that you can see:

ARMY Quotes:
Source: Congress’ explicit powers on army: Look it up
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be
for a longer Term than two Years

The Targets:
Law Enforcement Targets, Inc. is a 21-year designer and full service provider of training targets for the DHS, the Justice Department and thousands of law enforcement agencies throughout the country.
The company’s website offers a line of “No More Hesitation” targets ”designed to give officers the experience of dealing with deadly force shooting scenarios with subjects that are not the norm during training.” The targets are, “meant to help the transition for officers who are faced with these highly unusual targets for the first time.”
The targets include “pregnant woman threat,” “older man with shotgun,” “older man in home with shotgun,” “older woman with gun,” “young school aged girl,” “young mother on playground,” and “little boy with real gun.”
Source: http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us

Government powers to arrest:
Section 1031 of the National Defense Authorization Act gives the federal government and military new powers to arrest American citizens without charge.

Army manual:
Download it your self and read it:
http://info.publicintelligence.net/U...urbanceOps.pdf