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Old 11-04-2018, 8:59 PM
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I don't know how many rocks have been thrown at you, but one of my teachers in school was paralyzed for life by an idiotic student who threw a large rock into a crowd at school. My wife was hit with a brick in the face when she was younger. People stone people to death with, wait for it, ROCKS. So, rocks are very dangerous when used as weapons.
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Old 11-05-2018, 12:03 AM
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A friend of mine had some words with a group of skin head gangsters on his street, who then followed him home yelling obscenities at him and his family. He went into his house as the group tried to follow as they grabbed large rocks from his front yard and started to throw them into his house and at his family.

My friend now inside his house fetched a .357 magnum revolver, placed his wife and son behind him and yelled at the gangsters who were entering his front door to leave. As the first one passed through his door with a rock in hand about to hurl it at his family he fired a shot that hit that person in the hand I think and they moved to the side where the next guy with a big rock in hand was now inside the house and my friend fired a round through his chest and he collapsed and died (rather quickly) on the front porch.

The police deemed the shooting justified, as they should in this case.





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The Cure for Gun Control.....


President Trump mentioned this resolution first (although I don't think he realized just how important his message was when he said it).

In regards to the President talking about the migrant caravan that's coming and how sending 15,000 troops to the border with orders to "shoot" at them because they will be armed & dangerous, and armed with............wait for it people......... ROCKS!!
That's right folks.....the immigrants will be armed with rocks.

President Trump says that it's OK that border violence can be met with gun fire.
"If they throw rocks, the officers should be OK with shooting back at them".

Well, if our President of the United States thinks that throwing rocks is equal to gun fire, and that it's OK to shoot bullets at the immigrants when they throw rocks, then maybe the answer to gun control is to arm our citizens with rocks!

"Throw rocks, not bullets" can be his new campaign slogan for the upcoming 2020 elections!

So to those gun owners out there.......throw down your bullets and get some rocks for protection.
If the President of the United States says that rocks are just as dangerous, and reason enough to get fired upon with REAL bullets from a gun, then it must be true.....(snicker)......right?!?!?

I can't make this stuff up people, it came right from the "horses mouth" (President Trump himself), so to speak.
Well, I think it actually came from another part of the horse and that part is not near his head!!!
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"Stoning" people to death has been around a lot longer than firearms. It's proven very effective. A mob armed with rocks is a deadly threat.
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President Trump says that it's OK that border violence can be met with gun fire.
"If they throw rocks, the officers should be OK with shooting back at them".
Rock, knives and cars can all be considered deadly weapons. Under your logic if a police officer is being attacked by a man with a knife the officer should only use a knife to defend himself not his service weapon. If our military or CBP officers are being threatened by deadly force, deadly force should be used against that threat. My advice to the invaders when and if they arrive at the border....don't throw rocks!
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I still have a small dent in my forehead at the hairline from when I was a little kid. A bully punk whipped a stone about an inch big at me and tagged me in the head. I can still remember what it felt like and yes it bled good.
They have less-lethal things they can use besides absolute deadly bullets; beanbags and rubber bullets. To me these two are perfect "equal force" defense weapons that are more effective and accurate than rocks. They don't need to go as far as bullets IMO. And I suspect they're planning just that.
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Another good guy with a gun becomes a bad guy with a gun.

https://www.vcstar.com/story/news/20...ar/1927732002/
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Another good guy with a gun becomes a bad guy with a gun.

https://www.vcstar.com/story/news/20...ar/1927732002/
And what made him the good guy?
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All I Know is that a news report stated that the police were called earlier in the day on the suspect--suspect was then evaluated by a psych doctor who deemed him safe and found nothing wrong with him---well guess what that a**hole doctor was so wrong--He should be in jail right now and stripped his license

My condolenses to the family and friends of the officer who perished in this attack--
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Marine Corps vet.
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So what kind of gun control would have prevented this? Is there any gun control that could be passed today, no matter how strict, that would prevent the exact same thing from happening tomorrow?
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So what kind of gun control would have prevented this? Is there any gun control that could be passed today, no matter how strict, that would prevent the exact same thing from happening tomorrow?
That's an interesting question, I don't have an easy answer for you. I still have hopes that gun owners will constructively contribute to the conversation, but I'm still disappointed with the typical response.
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I think stricter background checks and a means to cross reference mental health info might make a very small dent in the problem. Other than that I'm not convinced the gun is the problem. There is endless data showing past bans on so called "assault rifles" did nothing. Data also shows banning certain things actually increases crime because criminals no longer have a fear of their victims being armed.

Then there is the unprecedented gun sales over the last 10yrs starting around 2009 putting tens and tens of millions more guns on the streets, but over the same period of time crime with those types of guns has maybe gone down slightly. If the gun was the problem then crimes with them would go up proportionately.

Then you have a number of guns in the US right now estimated around 310 million. In 2017 the estimated population of the US was 325.7 million people. That's nearly one gun for every man, woman and child in the US. With a large number of those legally purchased and owned, how would you deal with outright confiscation if that were deemed the "solution"? How would you compensate people for a gun they legally purchased that may have cost them $500 to $3,000? Even at just $500 value for every gun in the US, compensating owners for turning them in would bankrupt this country. Would that even be fair or legal???

In my opinion, to find the solution to the murder, mass murder, crimes with guns, you have to first find the root cause of these problems. For me, mental health come to mind immediately for mass shootings. Its proven in areas with no guns, people commit mass murders with whatever they have at hand like knives, vehicles, hammers, etc.

For general crimes with guns I think moral values (lack of them) and poverty are two major contributors. A gun is simply a handy tool to carry out these crimes and looking at the UK after major gun confiscation, crimes against people have skyrocketed with knives being the prime weapon. This has more info on that: https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/04/...-hasnt-worked/

So is there any solution? In the near term I don't think anything can be done and over the next 10yrs or so hundreds or more will probably die in mass shootings. Even if all guns are made illegal today, hundreds will die in mass shootings over the same period.

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It is to my understanding they just had an encounter with this guy in April. So they didn't see the urgency then, they didn't see the badness then, they saw no red flags then, they saw no evil within then. All they saw was a combat vet so they figured based upon that single attribute, he gets a green light.
This tells me you will never be able to sort these guys out before they snap. Guns or no guns. Until you can find a way to somehow pinpoint via tiny vague indications that the subject is wired for murder and to me thus far, it aint happening.



>>>>In April this year, deputies were called to the home he shared with his mother after neighbors heard loud crashes coming from inside.
He was acting 'irrationally' and was 'irate' so police called in their mental health specialist but they cleared him, deciding against having him committed. Neighbors told DailyMail.com on Thursday that his mother Colleen was 'terrified' he was going to harm himself or others.<<<<




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Marine Corps vet.
I spent 20 years in the Navy and I can tell you that just because someone serves, does not automatically mean that they are a good person. I ran across numerous people that should have never been let in and I did the paperwork to process many of these people out. I'm kind of shocked that you are painting everyone with a broad brush. Wasn't it you, ZZ, that said that we shouldn't do that?
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I'm kind of shocked that you are painting everyone with a broad brush. Wasn't it you, ZZ, that said that we shouldn't do that?
Well, he was either a good guy that crossed the line at some time, or someone is giving guns to bad guys. Maybe that's a good place to start a gun control conversation. Why don't you pick which side of that argument you want to play.
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I'm kind of shocked that you are painting everyone with a broad brush. Wasn't it you, ZZ, that said that we shouldn't do that?
Depends on whether the subject in question is a liberal talking point or a conservative one.
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It was said the recent shooter suffered from PTSD. A lot of PTSD patients are treated with anti-depressant drugs which are proven to cause an increase in suicide, homicide, violence and other serious effects. Mixed with some alcohol or weed these drugs can amplify the problems they are prescribed to fix.

A person can be otherwise normal and sane but the same person taking anti-depressant drugs becomes a ticking time bomb. But since many people claim the gun is the problem, why look into anti-depressant drugs? Besides, they generate a lot of money for the doctors and pharmaceutical companies so maybe we should look elsewhere for a solution.....

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It is to my understanding they just had an encounter with this guy in April. So they didn't see the urgency then, they didn't see the badness then, they saw no red flags then, they saw no evil within then. All they saw was a combat vet so they figured based upon that single attribute, he gets a green light.
This tells me you will never be able to sort these guys out before they snap. Guns or no guns. Until you can find a way to somehow pinpoint via tiny vague indications that the subject is wired for murder and to me thus far, it aint happening.



>>>>In April this year, deputies were called to the home he shared with his mother after neighbors heard loud crashes coming from inside.
He was acting 'irrationally' and was 'irate' so police called in their mental health specialist but they cleared him, deciding against having him committed. Neighbors told DailyMail.com on Thursday that his mother Colleen was 'terrified' he was going to harm himself or others.<<<<




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You're looking in the right direction for part of the problem. We need to be taking better care of people with mental health issues. That might help the homeless situation, too.

Maybe Republicans could support funding for mental health programs. Traditionally, that's been one of those things that's first in line for cuts.


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It was said the recent shooter suffered from PTSD. A lot of PTSD patients are treated with anti-depressant drugs which are proven to cause an increase in suicide, homicide, violence and other serious effects. Mixed with some alcohol or weed these drugs can amplify the problems they are prescribed to fix.

A person can be otherwise normal and sane but the same person taking anti-depressant drugs becomes a ticking time bomb. But since many people claim the gun is the problem, why look into anti-depressant drugs? Besides, they generate a lot of money for the doctors and pharmaceutical companies so maybe we should look elsewhere for a solution.....
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Welp... the Dims are already at it. Pelosi advocating gun control, "assault weapons" ban, limited magazines and all the other BS that goes with it. "We need to do something!" she yells from her old flapping gums.

Why do they always sing the same old rhetoric? Why not actually go after the problem, or at least figure out what the problem is and nip it there? Politicians are just plain stupid..
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