Do we have another P25 system in Sask.

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

Tower site # 2 is showing a System ID of 00C. Why ?

202,"T0202",00c,"00-0255",139.27500,"(Different System)"

P25,37FD0002300C813C02029DE8
P25,00FF02EB700000009BD6D99D

37 FD 00 02 30 0C 81 3C 02 02 9D E8 01/18 12:41:54 Multi-Block Neighbor Status Broadcast 1 - SysID: 00c RFSS: 2 SiteID: 2 Status: Connected Follow: 1
00 FF 02 EB 70 00 00 00 9B D6 D9 9D 01/18 12:41:54 Multi-Block Neighbor Status Broadcast 2 - Control tx: 0-0255(139.27500) Control rx: 0-0747(141.73500) Cap: None Advertised

FileVersion:8
-TowerInfo
#This section is here for information only. With the exception
#of the Call Sign(s), This data is not Read back into the program at all.
System ID : 00A
System Name : PPSTN
WACN : 0000A
Tower Number (Decimal): 21-21
Tower Number (Hex) : T1515
Tower Description : Grenfell
Control Capabilities : Data,Voice,Registration
Flavor : Phase 1
Call Sign(s) :
Timestamp : Mon Jan 18 08:42:12 2016

-Tables
#Format: Table ID,Base Freq,Spacing,Input Offset,Assumed/Confirmed,BandWidth,Slots
00,138.00000,0.00500,0.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1

-Frequencies
#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Channel,Input Frequency(/Slot),Input Explicit(1/0),Hit Count
"00-0126","av",138.63000,"00-0001",138.00500,1,3
"00-0213","c",139.06500,"00-0711",141.55500,1,0
"00-0237","av",139.18500,"00-0001",138.00500,1,3
"00-0258","av",139.29000,"00-0001",138.00500,1,3

-Neighbors
#Format: TowerID,TowerIDHex,System ID,Channel,Frequency,Tower Name
808,"T0808",00a,"00-0150",138.75000,"Melville"
202,"T0202",00c,"00-0255",139.27500,"(Different System)"
2222,"T1616",00a,"00-0252",139.26000,"Kipling"
2323,"T1717",00a,"00-0072",138.36000,"Crooked Lake"
2424,"T1818",00a,"00-0204",139.02000,"Broadview"
5252,"T3434",00a,"00-0150",138.75000,"McLean"
6969,"T4545",00a,"00-0216",139.08000,"Montmartre"
7272,"T4848",00a,"00-0234",139.17000,"Balcarres"
7373,"T4949",00a,"00-0156",138.78000,"Indian Head"
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FileVersion:8
-TowerInfo
#This section is here for information only. With the exception
#of the Call Sign(s), This data is not Read back into the program at all.
System ID : 00A
System Name : PPSTN
WACN : 0000A
Tower Number (Decimal): 23-23
Tower Number (Hex) : T1717
Tower Description : Crooked Lake
Control Capabilities : Data,Voice,Registration
Flavor : Phase 1
Call Sign(s) :
Timestamp : Sun Dec 20 14:34:36 2015

-Tables
#Format: Table ID,Base Freq,Spacing,Input Offset,Assumed/Confirmed,BandWidth,Slots
00,138.00000,0.00500,0.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1

-Frequencies
#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Channel,Input Frequency(/Slot),Input Explicit(1/0),Hit Count
"00-0006","av",138.03000,"00-0001",138.00500,1,5
"00-0042","av",138.21000,"00-0001",138.00500,1,6
"00-0072","c",138.36000,"00-0870",142.35000,1,0

-Neighbors
#Format: TowerID,TowerIDHex,System ID,Channel,Frequency,Tower Name
808,"T0808",00a,"00-0150",138.75000,"Melville"
2121,"T1515",00a,"00-0213",139.06500,"Grenfell"
202,"T0202",00c,"00-0255",139.27500,"(Different System)"
2424,"T1818",00a,"00-0204",139.02000,"Broadview"
2525,"T1919",00a,"00-0045",138.22500,"Round Lake"
2626,"T1A1A",00a,"00-0192",138.96000,"Esterhazy"
2828,"T1C1C",00a,"00-0213",139.06500,"unknown"
7272,"T4848",00a,"00-0234",139.17000,"Balcarres"
7373,"T4949",00a,"00-0156",138.78000,"Indian Head"
------------------------------------------------------------------------

FileVersion:8
-TowerInfo
#This section is here for information only. With the exception
#of the Call Sign(s), This data is not Read back into the program at all.
System ID : 00A
System Name : PPSTN
WACN : 0000A
Tower Number (Decimal): 24-24
Tower Number (Hex) : T1818
Tower Description : Broadview
Control Capabilities : Data,Voice,Registration
Flavor : Phase 1
Call Sign(s) :
Timestamp : Wed Dec 2 01:15:00 2016

-Tables
#Format: Table ID,Base Freq,Spacing,Input Offset,Assumed/Confirmed,BandWidth,Slots
00,138.00000,0.00500,0.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1

-Frequencies
#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Channel,Input Frequency(/Slot),Input Explicit(1/0),Hit Count
"00-0021","avd",138.10500,"00-0001",138.00500,1,46
"00-0060","av",138.30000,"00-0001",138.00500,1,47
"00-0123","avd",138.61500,"00-0001",138.00500,1,45
"00-0192","c",138.96000,"00-0192",138.96000,0,0
"00-0204","c",139.02000,"00-0702",141.51000,1,0

-Neighbors
#Format: TowerID,TowerIDHex,System ID,Channel,Frequency,Tower Name
2020,"T1414",00a,"00-0120",138.60000,"Whitewood"
2121,"T1515",00a,"00-0213",139.06500,"Grenfell"
202,"T0202",00c,"00-0231",139.15500,"(Different System)"
2222,"T1616",00a,"00-0252",139.26000,"Kipling"
2323,"T1717",00a,"00-0072",138.36000,"Crooked Lake"
2525,"T1919",00a,"00-0045",138.22500,"Round Lake"
2626,"T1A1A",00a,"00-0192",138.96000,"Esterhazy"
2929,"T1D1D",00a,"00-0198",138.99000,"Bear Creek"
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FileVersion:8
-TowerInfo
#This section is here for information only. With the exception
#of the Call Sign(s), This data is not Read back into the program at all.
System ID : 00A
System Name : PPSTN
WACN : 0000A
Tower Number (Decimal): 70-70
Tower Number (Hex) : T4646
Tower Description : Qu'Appelle
Control Capabilities : Data,Voice,Registration
Flavor : Phase 1
Call Sign(s) :
Timestamp : Mon Jan 11 14:19:31 2016

-Tables
#Format: Table ID,Base Freq,Spacing,Input Offset,Assumed/Confirmed,BandWidth,Slots
00,138.00000,0.00500,0.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1

-Frequencies
#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Channel,Input Frequency(/Slot),Input Explicit(1/0),Hit Count
"00-0003","av",138.01500,"00-0001",138.00500,1,45
"00-0051","av",138.25500,"00-0001",138.00500,1,48
"00-0165","av",138.82500,"00-0001",138.00500,1,49
"00-0189","c",138.94500,"00-0684",141.42000,1,0
"11-3330","c",0.00000,"11-3330",0.00000,0,0

-Neighbors
#Format: TowerID,TowerIDHex,System ID,Channel,Frequency,Tower Name
202,"T0202",00c,"00-0255",139.27500,"(Different System)"
5252,"T3434",00a,"00-0150",138.75000,"McLean"
5353,"T3535",00a,"00-0198",138.99000,"Pilot Butte"
5454,"T3636",00a,"00-0261",139.30500,"Milestone"
5858,"T3A3A",00a,"00-0216",139.08000,"Piapot FNR"
6666,"T4242",00a,"00-0192",138.96000,"Filmore"
6969,"T4545",00a,"00-0216",139.08000,"Montmartre"
7171,"T4747",00a,"00-0261",139.30500,"Fort QuAppelle"
7272,"T4848",00a,"00-0234",139.17000,"Balcarres"
7373,"T4949",00a,"00-0156",138.78000,"Indian Head"


FileVersion:8
-TowerInfo
#This section is here for information only. With the exception
#of the Call Sign(s), This data is not Read back into the program at all.
System ID : 00A
System Name : PPSTN
WACN : 0000A
Tower Number (Decimal): 72-72
Tower Number (Hex) : T4848
Tower Description : Balcarres
Control Capabilities : Data,Voice,Registration
Flavor : Phase 1
Call Sign(s) :
Timestamp : Tue Jan 12 17:37:25 2016

-Tables
#Format: Table ID,Base Freq,Spacing,Input Offset,Assumed/Confirmed,BandWidth,Slots
00,138.00000,0.00500,0.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1

-Frequencies
#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Channel,Input Frequency(/Slot),Input Explicit(1/0),Hit Count
"00-0075","avd",138.37500,"00-0001",138.00500,1,709
"00-0147","avd",138.73500,"00-0642",141.21000,1,734
"00-0177","cavd",138.88500,"00-0001",138.00500,1,595
"00-0234","cvd",139.17000,"00-0732",141.66000,1,115

-Neighbors
#Format: TowerID,TowerIDHex,System ID,Channel,Frequency,Tower Name
808,"T0808",00a,"00-0150",138.75000,"Melville"
909,"T0909",00a,"00-0195",138.97500,"Goodeve"
1010,"T0A0A",00a,"00-0120",138.60000,"Ituna"
2121,"T1515",00a,"00-0213",139.06500,"Grenfell"
202,"T0202",00c,"00-0255",139.27500,"(Different System)"
2323,"T1717",00a,"00-0072",138.36000,"Crooked Lake"
7070,"T4646",00a,"00-0189",138.94500,"Qu Appelle"
7171,"T4747",00a,"00-0261",139.30500,"Fort Qu Appelle"
7373,"T4949",00a,"00-0156",138.78000,"Indian Head"

What is up with this System ID of 00C ?

 

[Jay911]

Maybe the techs are building something and wanted it off the main system for now. 00C is the Newfoundland Provincial Radio provincewide system, but I've also heard that someone in a US state has seen it (or maybe they saw 00A - I forget which).

That's not the correct frequency for an NPR site and there would be next to no reason for PPSTN and NPR to be linked, so...

EDIT: When I know several neighbors of an unknown site, I take the neighbor sites' lat/long and average them out and it often gets me pretty close to where the site is. Of the sites you listed, Crooked Lake and Broadview don't have location data in the RRDB, but the other three do. The "average" of their location suggests this tower might be near Sintaluta (between Indian Head and Wolseley).

 

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

system 00A

Site #2 is new to the area, it started showing up as a neighboring site not all that long ago.
The information for site 2 in the RR DB is incorrect.
I think that this site is one of PPSTN's two portable sites.
I have seen RIDs 2268#### trying to get on system 00A but they can not for some reason.
Maybe they are using system 00C ?
I will go for a drive and see just where it is or if it really exists.

 

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

It is a another network ?

More that one site is being used in this new system 00C network.

FileVersion:8
-TowerInfo
#This section is here for information only. With the exception
#of the Call Sign(s), This data is not Read back into the program at all.
System ID : 00A
System Name : PPSTN
WACN : 0000A
Tower Number (Decimal): 4-4
Tower Number (Hex) : T0404
Tower Description : Melville
Control Capabilities : Data,Voice,Registration
Flavor : Phase 1
Call Sign(s) :
Timestamp : Tue Dec 1 18:38:38 2015

-Tables
#Format: Table ID,Base Freq,Spacing,Input Offset,Assumed/Confirmed,BandWidth,Slots
00,138.00000,0.00500,0.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1

-Frequencies
#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Channel,Input Frequency(/Slot),Input Explicit(1/0),Hit Count
"00-0090","av",138.45000,"00-0001",138.00500,1,4
"00-0111","c",138.55500,"00-0909",142.54500,1,0
"00-0156","av",138.78000,"00-0001",138.00500,1,2

-Neighbors
#Format: TowerID,TowerIDHex,System ID,Channel,Frequency,Tower Name
1111,"T0B0B",00a,"00-0201",139.00500,"Davidson"
5656,"T3838",00a,"00-0252",139.26000,"Unknown"
5959,"T3B3B",00a,"00-0204",139.02000,"Southey"
6060,"T3C3C",00a,"00-0201",139.00500,"Punnichy"
130130,"T8282",00a,"00-0045",138.22500,"Simpson"
132132,"T8484",00a,"00-0195",138.97500,"Watrous"
133133,"T8585",00a,"00-0237",139.18500,"Unknown (Different System)"

The RR DB shows this site 133133,"T8585",00a,"00-0237",139.18500,"Unknown (Different System) as Lanigan

 

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

Site 133 location ?

My data shows that site #133 is in fact in the Wynyard and Raymore district to the north of those other sites.
Could this system be being used by a provincial government Potash company in that area ?

 

[kayn1n32008]

My data shows that site #133 is in fact in the Wynyard and Raymore district to the north of those other sites.
Could this system be being used by a provincial government Potash company in that area ?

Have you searched spectrum direct?

 

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

Those frequencies are all PPSTN channels.

I was just thinking that sometime a while back I deleted a System 00C file folder that pro96com had created for some unknown reason. I did not even look in that folder before I trashed it. It had to have been decoding data from an 00C site for the program to create such a folder. Too soon olt and to late shumart !

 

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

00C is Sintaluta

Traveled to site #2 today it is located in the village of Sintaluta at Lat. 50.4788014 / Log. 103.4498382.

FileVersion:8
-TowerInfo
#This section is here for information only. With the exception
#of the Call Sign(s), This data is not Read back into the program at all.
System ID : 00C
System Name : PPSTN 00C
WACN : 0000A
Tower Number (Decimal): 2-2
Tower Number (Hex) : T0202
Tower Description : Sintaluta
Control Capabilities : Data,Voice,Registration
Flavor : Phase 1
Call Sign(s) :
Timestamp : Tue Jan 19 16:12:48 2016

-Tables
#Format: Table ID,Base Freq,Spacing,Input Offset,Assumed/Confirmed,BandWidth,Slots
00,138.00000,0.00500,0.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1

-Frequencies
#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Channel,Input Frequency(/Slot),Input Explicit(1/0),Hit Count
"00-0210","a",139.05000,"00-0001",138.00500,1,0
"00-0231","a",139.15500,"00-0001",138.00500,1,0
"00-0255","c",139.27500,"00-0747",141.73500,1,0

-Neighbors
#Format: TowerID,TowerIDHex,System ID,Channel,Frequency,Tower Name
2121,"T1515",00a,"00-0213",139.06500,"Grenfell (Different System)"
2222,"T1616",00a,"00-0252",139.26000,"Kipling (Different System)"
2323,"T1717",00a,"00-0072",138.36000,"Crooked Lake (Different System)"
2424,"T1818",00a,"00-0204",139.02000,"Broadview (Different System)"
6666,"T4242",00a,"00-0192",138.96000,"Filmore (Different System)"
6969,"T4545",00a,"00-0216",139.08000,"Montmartre (Different System)"
7070,"T4646",00a,"00-0189",138.94500,"Qu'Appelle (Different System)"
7272,"T4848",00a,"00-0234",139.17000,"Balcarres (Different System)"
7373,"T4949",00a,"00-0156",138.78000,"Indian Head (Different System)"

It is a fixed PPSTN site WACN is 0000A and it not a portable site.

 

[mciupa]

Traveled to site #2 today it is located in the village of Sintaluta at Lat. 50.4788014 / Log. 103.4498382.

So....how much gas money do we owe ya? :lol:


Thanks man, database updated.

 

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

is it 00C or 00A ?

Looking at data from PPSTN site # 61 this morning shows site # 05 Regina having a site ID of 00C different. I was in Regina and decoded site 05's data on January 9, 2016 and that site data shows it's ID as 00A.
What are they doing ? No one will be able to use that site.
Looking at data from the PPSTN site # 17 from January 9, 2016 for the Regina UHF 800 MHZ, shows that SaskPower Regina City units are all now on that system and not on the VHF system like SaskPower Regina Rural units and all the others in the province.

 

[mikewazowski]

What are they doing ? No one will be able to use that site.

Depends on how their radios are programmed.

 

[Jay911]

It could be that's their way of preventing people from using those sites while they're testing something on them. Or maybe they're testing cross-system functionality (roaming onto a different SID)...

 

[kayn1n32008]

Or maybe they're testing cross-system functionality (roaming onto a different SID)...

Like roaming to 05B/05A...

 

[ryan433pk]

It might have something to do with the PPSTN getting close to the 256 site limit?

 

[kayn1n32008]

It might have something to do with the PPSTN getting close to the 256 site limit?

Alberta has 2 system ID 05A and 05B. It is a reasonable guess as to why the second system ID.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

 

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

Add new system ID ?

The PPSTN has 260 sites right now. Each site in the system has it's own site radio that does a location registration to it's own site. Each of these site radios has it's own talkgroup ID. These talkgroups start at 301 and end at 596. It looks like they planned for a 295 site system when they started.

If there is a hard limit of 256 sites for each system ID then they would require a second system ID to get to their planned limit of 295 sites. In my part of the province there are already 4 sites showing the new system ID of 00C.

Sites
02-02
04-04
05-05
133-133

Should the RR DB be updated to show this new system ID of 00C ?

 

[Jay911]

Should the RR DB be updated to show this new system ID of 00C ?

IMO, the answer to this question coincides with the answer to another question: Are these sites carrying live traffic? If there is actual communications going on that is part of the regular operations of the system, then yes, they should be included. If not, treat it as a testbed (and not part of the main system) until proven otherwise.

 

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

On January 9, 2016 I traveled to site 05 Regina after seeing data from site # 61 that showed it's system ID was coming up 00C.
Looking back a data from December 2015 shows site #05 as 00A.

FileVersion:8
-TowerInfo
#This section is here for information only. With the exception
#of the Call Sign(s), This data is not Read back into the program at all.
System ID : 00A
System Name : PPSTN
WACN : 0000A
Tower Number (Decimal): 61-61
Tower Number (Hex) : T3D3D
Tower Description : Lestock
Control Capabilities : Data,Voice,Registration
Flavor : Phase 1
Call Sign(s) :
Timestamp : Sat Jan 9 07:06:27 2016

-Tables
#Format: Table ID,Base Freq,Spacing,Input Offset,Assumed/Confirmed,BandWidth,Slots
00,138.00000,0.00500,0.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1

-Frequencies
#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Channel,Input Frequency(/Slot),Input Explicit(1/0),Hit Count
"00-0009","avdp",138.04500,"00-0001",138.00500,1,247
"00-0132","cavdp",138.66000,"00-0001",138.00500,1,234
"00-0171","c",138.85500,"00-0666",141.33000,1,0

-Neighbors
#Format: TowerID,TowerIDHex,System ID,Channel,Frequency,Tower Name
909,"T0909",00a,"00-0195",138.97500,"Goodeve"
1010,"T0A0A",00a,"00-0120",138.60000,"Ituna"
505,"T0505",00c,"00-0252",139.26000,"Unknown (Different System)"
5656,"T3838",00a,"00-0252",139.26000,"unknown"
5858,"T3A3A",00a,"00-0216",139.08000,"Piapot FNR #75"
5959,"T3B3B",00a,"00-0204",139.02000,"Southey"
6060,"T3C3C",00a,"00-0201",139.00500,"Punnichy"
7171,"T4747",00a,"00-0261",139.30500,"Fort Qu Appelle"
107107,"T6B6B",00a,"00-0225",139.12500,"Invermay"
134134,"T8686",00a,"00-0072",138.36000,"Wynyard"

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FileVersion:8
-TowerInfo
#This section is here for information only. With the exception
#of the Call Sign(s), This data is not Read back into the program at all.
System ID : 00A
System Name : PPSTN
WACN : 0000A
Tower Number (Decimal): 5-5
Tower Number (Hex) : T0505
Tower Description :
Control Capabilities : Data,Voice,Registration
Flavor : Phase 1
Call Sign(s) :
Timestamp : Sat Jan 9 09:38:17 2016

-Tables
#Format: Table ID,Base Freq,Spacing,Input Offset,Assumed/Confirmed,BandWidth,Slots
00,138.00000,0.00500,0.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1

-Frequencies
#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Channel,Input Frequency(/Slot),Input Explicit(1/0),Hit Count
"00-0102","av",138.51000,"00-0001",138.00500,1,3
"00-0135","av",138.67500,"00-0001",138.00500,1,3
"00-0159","av",138.79500,"00-0654",141.27000,1,4
"00-0207","av",139.03500,"00-0001",138.00500,1,3
"00-0228","av",139.14000,"00-0001",138.00500,1,3
"00-0249","c",139.24500,"00-0741",141.70500,1,0

-Neighbors
#Format: TowerID,TowerIDHex,System ID,Channel,Frequency,Tower Name
5252,"T3434",00a,"00-0150",138.75000,"McLean"
5353,"T3535",00a,"00-0198",138.99000,"Pilot Butte"
5454,"T3636",00a,"00-0261",139.30500,"Milestone"
5555,"T3737",00a,"00-0120",138.60000,"Craven"
5858,"T3A3A",00a,"00-0216",139.08000,"Piapot FNR"
6666,"T4242",00a,"00-0192",138.96000,"Filmore"
6969,"T4545",00a,"00-0216",139.08000,"Montmartre"
181181,"TB5B5",00a,"00-0072",138.36000,"Pasqua"
182182,"TB6B6",00a,"00-0255",139.27500,"Buffalo Pnd Pk"
183183,"TB7B7",00a,"00-0180",138.90000,"Avonlea"

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Sample Grant log Site # 05 Regina from January 9, 2016
"Timestamp","Type","Channel","Frequency","TG ID","TalkGroup Description","Radio ID","Radio Description"
"01/09 08:33:33","Group (Enc)","00-0207","139.03500"," 10","RCMP Regina","2219005","Dispatch 5"
"01/09 08:33:33","Group (Enc)","00-0159","138.79500"," 10","RCMP Regina","2219005","Dispatch 5"
"01/09 08:33:37","Group (Enc)","00-0135","138.67500"," 10","RCMP Regina","2211971",""
"01/09 08:33:51","Group","00-0102","138.51000"," 5282","T: 505 DT: 1/9/16@8:33","2251574",""
"01/09 08:33:55","Group","00-0228","139.14000"," 5282","T: 505 DT: 1/9/16@8:33","2259963","36 Dispatch 63"
"01/09 08:33:56","Group (Enc)","00-0207","139.03500"," 10","RCMP Regina","2211971","TG: 10 DT: 1/9/16@8:33"
"01/09 08:33:57","Group (Enc)","00-0207","139.03500"," 10","RCMP Regina","2219005","Dispatch 5"
"01/09 08:33:58","Group","00-0159","138.79500"," 5282","T: 505 DT: 1/9/16@8:33","2251574","TG: 5282 DT: 1/9/16@8:33"
"01/09 08:34:00","Group","00-0135","138.67500"," 5282","T: 505 DT: 1/9/16@8:33","2259963","36 Dispatch 63"
"01/09 08:34:07","Group (Enc)","00-0102","138.51000"," 10","RCMP Regina","2219005","Dispatch 5"
"01/09 08:34:10","Group (Enc)","00-0228","139.14000"," 10","RCMP Regina","2211971","TG: 10 DT: 1/9/16@8:33"
"01/09 08:35:14","Group (Enc)","00-0159","138.79500"," 10","RCMP Regina","2219005","Dispatch 5"
"01/09 08:35:20","Group (Enc)","00-0135","138.67500"," 10","RCMP Regina","2211964","Avonlea Portable 4"
"01/09 08:35:31","Group (Enc)","00-0102","138.51000"," 10","RCMP Regina","2219005","Dispatch 5"
"01/09 08:35:43","Group (Enc)","00-0228","139.14000"," 10","RCMP Regina","2211024","Regina Base Station"
"01/09 08:35:48","Group (Enc)","00-0207","139.03500"," 10","RCMP Regina","2219005","Dispatch 5"
"01/09 08:35:53","Group (Enc)","00-0159","138.79500"," 10","RCMP Regina","2211024","Regina Base Station"
"01/09 08:35:55","Group (Enc)","00-0135","138.67500"," 10","RCMP Regina","2211964","Avonlea Portable 4"
"01/09 08:36:13","Group (Enc)","00-0102","138.51000"," 10","RCMP Regina","2211024","Regina Base Station"
"01/09 08:36:16","Group","00-0228","139.14000"," 5282","T: 505 DT: 1/9/16@8:33","2251551",""
"01/09 08:36:20","Group","00-0207","139.03500"," 5282","T: 505 DT: 1/9/16@8:33","2259963","36 Dispatch 63"
"01/09 08:36:23","Group","00-0159","138.79500"," 5282","T: 505 DT: 1/9/16@8:33","2251551","TG: 5282 DT: 1/9/16@8:36"
"01/09 08:36:26","Group","00-0135","138.67500"," 5282","T: 505 DT: 1/9/16@8:33","2259963","36 Dispatch 63"
"01/09 08:36:34","Group (Enc)","00-0102","138.51000"," 10","RCMP Regina","2219005","Dispatch 5"
"01/09 08:36:40","Group (Enc)","00-0228","139.14000"," 10","RCMP Regina","2211964","Avonlea Portable 4"
"01/09 08:36:54","Group (Enc)","00-0207","139.03500"," 10","RCMP Regina","2211024","Regina Base Station"
"01/09 08:36:56","Group (Enc)","00-0159","138.79500"," 10","RCMP Regina","2219005","Dispatch 5"
"01/09 08:37:02","Group (Enc)","00-0135","138.67500"," 10","RCMP Regina","2211024","Regina Base Station"
"01/09 08:37:54","Group (Enc)","00-0228","139.14000"," 6069","HIGHWAY TRANSPORT PATROL","2263315","TANGO 315"
"01/09 08:38:04","Group (Enc)","00-0207","139.03500"," 6069","HIGHWAY TRANSPORT PATROL","2269986","PA Dispatch 86"
"01/09 08:38:06","Group (Enc)","00-0159","138.79500"," 6069","HIGHWAY TRANSPORT PATROL","2263315","TANGO 315"
"01/09 08:38:25","Group (Enc)","00-0135","138.67500"," 6069","HIGHWAY TRANSPORT PATROL","2269986","PA Dispatch 86"
"01/09 08:40:02","Group","00-0228","139.14000"," 5116","Valley EMS FtQuAppelle","2252636","Valley Ambulance 14"
"01/09 08:40:07","Group","00-0207","139.03500"," 5116","Valley EMS FtQuAppelle","2259962","36 Dispatch 62"
"01/09 08:40:10","Group","00-0159","138.79500"," 5116","Valley EMS FtQuAppelle","2252636","Valley Ambulance 14"
"01/09 08:40:13","Group","00-0135","138.67500"," 5116","Valley EMS FtQuAppelle","2259962","36 Dispatch 62"
"01/09 08:42:25","Group (Enc)","00-0102","138.51000"," 10","RCMP Regina","2211020","Regina Portable 9"
"01/09 08:44:44","Group (Enc)","00-0228","139.14000"," 6069","HIGHWAY TRANSPORT PATROL","2263315","TANGO 315"
"01/09 08:45:11","Group (Enc)","00-0135","138.67500"," 10","RCMP Regina","2219004","Dispatch Zone # 4"
"01/09 08:47:24","Group (Enc)","00-0102","138.51000"," 10","RCMP Regina","2219005","Dispatch 5"
"01/09 08:47:31","Group (Enc)","00-0228","139.14000"," 10","RCMP Regina","2211004","A594 Regina"
"01/09 08:47:42","Group (Enc)","00-0159","138.79500"," 10","RCMP Regina","2211004","A594 Regina"
"01/09 08:47:45","Group (Enc)","00-0135","138.67500"," 10","RCMP Regina","2219005","Dispatch 5"
"01/09 08:48:08","Group (Enc)","00-0207","139.03500"," 10","RCMP Regina","2219005","Dispatch 5"
"01/09 08:48:43","Group (Enc)","00-0135","138.67500"," 6069","HIGHWAY TRANSPORT PATROL","2263356","TANGO 356"
"01/09 08:48:50","Group (Enc)","00-0228","139.14000"," 6069","HIGHWAY TRANSPORT PATROL","2263356","TANGO 356"
"01/09 08:49:16","Group","00-0135","138.67500"," 610","T: 1717 DT: 9/29/15@13:23","2311000",""
"01/09 08:49:58","Group (Enc)","00-0207","139.03500"," 10","RCMP Regina","2211005","A595 Regina"
"01/09 08:50:27","Group (Enc)","00-0102","138.51000"," 10","RCMP Regina","2211005","A595 Regina"
"01/09 08:51:54","Group (Enc)","00-0135","138.67500"," 10","RCMP Regina","2219004","Dispatch Zone # 4"
"01/09 08:59:02","Group (Enc)","00-0135","138.67500"," 26","RCMP Swift Current","2219004","Dispatch Zone # 4"
"01/09 08:59:12","Group (Enc)","00-0102","138.51000"," 26","RCMP Swift Current","2211692",""
"01/09 08:59:16","Group (Enc)","00-0228","139.14000"," 26","RCMP Swift Current","2219004","Dispatch Zone # 4"
"01/09 08:59:26","Group (Enc)","00-0207","139.03500"," 26","RCMP Swift Current","2211692","TG: 26 DT: 1/9/16@8:59"
"01/09 08:59:28","Group (Enc)","00-0159","138.79500"," 26","RCMP Swift Current","2219004","Dispatch Zone # 4"
"01/09 08:59:32","Group (Enc)","00-0135","138.67500"," 26","RCMP Swift Current","2211692","TG: 26 DT: 1/9/16@8:59"
"01/09 09:01:03","Group (Enc)","00-0102","138.51000"," 6069","HIGHWAY TRANSPORT PATROL","2263315","TANGO 315"
"01/09 09:01:19","Group","00-0228","139.14000"," 610","T: 1717 DT: 9/29/15@13:23","2311121","TG: 630 DT: 12/17/15@11:09"
"01/09 09:01:23","Group","00-0207","139.03500"," 610","T: 1717 DT: 9/29/15@13:23","2313040","TG: 610 DT: 12/17/15@11:11"
"01/09 09:01:31","Group","00-0135","138.67500"," 610","T: 1717 DT: 9/29/15@13:23","2313040","TG: 610 DT: 12/17/15@11:11"
"01/09 09:02:07","Group","00-0102","138.51000"," 610","T: 1717 DT: 9/29/15@13:23","2313040","TG: 610 DT: 12/17/15@11:11"
"01/09 09:02:16","Group","00-0228","139.14000"," 610","T: 1717 DT: 9/29/15@13:23","2311128",""
"01/09 09:02:24","Group","00-0159","138.79500"," 610","T: 1717 DT: 9/29/15@13:23","2311128","TG: 610 DT: 1/9/16@9:02"
"01/09 09:02:30","Group","00-0135","138.67500"," 610","T: 1717 DT: 9/29/15@13:23","2313040","TG: 610 DT: 12/17/15@11:11"
"01/09 09:05:09","Group (Enc)","00-0102","138.51000"," 10","RCMP Regina","2211020","Regina Portable 9"
"01/09 09:11:18","Group","00-0135","138.67500"," 610","T: 1717 DT: 9/29/15@13:23","2313040","TG: 610 DT: 12/17/15@11:11"
"01/09 09:11:23","Group","00-0102","138.51000"," 610","T: 1717 DT: 9/29/15@13:23","2311112","TG: 630 DT: 12/17/15@11:20"
"01/09 09:36:07","Group","00-0135","138.67500"," 610","T: 1717 DT: 9/29/15@13:23","2313040","TG: 610 DT: 12/17/15@11:11"
"01/09 09:36:12","Group","00-0102","138.51000"," 610","T: 1717 DT: 9/29/15@13:23","2311117","TG: 640 DT: 9/29/15@12:50"
"01/09 09:36:31","Group","00-0228","139.14000"," 610","T: 1717 DT: 9/29/15@13:23","2313040","TG: 610 DT: 12/17/15@11:11"
"01/09 09:36:38","Group","00-0207","139.03500"," 610","T: 1717 DT: 9/29/15@13:23","2311117","TG: 640 DT: 9/29/15@12:50"
"01/09 09:36:48","Group","00-0159","138.79500"," 610","T: 1717 DT: 9/29/15@13:23","2311117","TG: 640 DT: 9/29/15@12:50"
"01/09 09:36:54","Group","00-0135","138.67500"," 610","T: 1717 DT: 9/29/15@13:23","2313040","TG: 610 DT: 12/17/15@11:11"
"01/09 09:36:57","Group","00-0102","138.51000"," 610","T: 1717 DT: 9/29/15@13:23","2311117","TG: 640 DT: 9/29/15@12:50"
"01/09 09:37:06","Group","00-0228","139.14000"," 610","T: 1717 DT: 9/29/15@13:23","2313040","TG: 610 DT: 12/17/15@11:11"
"01/09 09:37:09","Group","00-0207","139.03500"," 610","T: 1717 DT: 9/29/15@13:23","2311117","TG: 640 DT: 9/29/15@12:50"
"01/09 09:37:17","Group","00-0159","138.79500"," 610","T: 1717 DT: 9/29/15@13:23","2313040","TG: 610 DT: 12/17/15@11:11"
"01/09 09:37:20","Group","00-0135","138.67500"," 610","T: 1717 DT: 9/29/15@13:23","2311117","TG: 640 DT: 9/29/15@12:50"
"01/09 09:37:26","Group","00-0102","138.51000"," 610","T: 1717 DT: 9/29/15@13:23","2313040","TG: 610 DT: 12/17/15@11:11"
"01/09 09:37:58","Group","00-0228","139.14000"," 610","T: 1717 DT: 9/29/15@13:23","2311102","TG: 630 DT: 9/29/15@12:50"
"01/09 09:38:05","Group","00-0207","139.03500"," 610","T: 1717 DT: 9/29/15@13:23","2313040","TG: 610 DT: 12/17/15@11:11"
"01/09 09:38:08","Group","00-0159","138.79500"," 610","T: 1717 DT: 9/29/15@13:23","2311102","TG: 630 DT: 9/29/15@12:50"

I do not have any channel grant data from the other 00C sites at this time.
Can a site sent both system IDs or just one ?
Will all the radios have to be reprogrammed for this new system ID so they can use all of the sites in the system ?
Site # 05 is showing 00C right now and it is one o the most used in the system.

 

[Jay911]

On January 9, 2016 I traveled to site 05 Regina after seeing data from site # 61 that showed it's system ID was coming up 00C.
Looking back a data from December 2015 shows site #05 as 00A.

[snippage]

I do not have any channel grant data from the other 00C sites at this time.
Can a site sent both system IDs or just one ?
Will all the radios have to be reprogrammed for this new system ID so they can use all of the sites in the system ?
Site # 05 is showing 00C right now and it is one o the most used in the system.

I would only submit sites to the DB if they are broadcasting traffic in their current condition. You should know that just because site 061 says that its neighbor site 005 is on SID 00C, that doesn't mean that the site you know as 005 in 00A is now in 00C. The hierarchy of a P25 system ID is:

WACN
SID (system ID)
RFSS
Site ID

(that's simplified, to an extent, but the point is valid just the same)

In other words, WACN 0000A does not have to have only one "site" 005 (more appropriately RFSS 005 Site 005). Just because 00A-061-061 is announcing that it has a neighbor site of 00C-005-005, doesn't mean that site 00A-005-005 no longer exists.

If 00A-005-005 is still broadcasting that SID, RFSS, and Site, that's not the site that 00A-061-061 is referring to.

Sites can only broadcast one combination of WACN, SID, RFSS, and Site ID. In other words, the Regina site cannot be 0000A-00A-005-005 and 0000A-00C-005-005 at the same time.

Looking back over all the information provided in this thread, I would suggest that the suspicion that SID 00C is being added to allow for more than 254 sites is correct, and that the reason you're seeing same-numbered sites with differing SIDs has to do with either (a) prevention of roaming from the sites being built out/tested onto the live system and/or (2) indication of new sites in SID 00C being prepped for rollout.

Take note that 00C-005-005 does not have to be in Regina nor at all related to 00A-005-005. As an example, in Alberta's system, we have 660C5-05B-004-004 which is just NW of the city of Medicine Hat, which if you're not aware is more-or-less on the border with SK near Maple Creek. However, 05A-004-004 is in Ponoka, which is several hundred km northwest of there, roughly on the same latitude as North Battleford.

 

[Mobby1-Kenobby]

Jay is so right again !

Thank you so much Jay. Now I understand. Just looking at my data again and I can see that site 05-00A is transmitting on 139.2450 mhz and site 05-00C is transmitting on 139.2600 mhz. This the beginning of a whole new system with different channels altogether. I went looking for site 004-00C yesterday but could not find it for some reason. Now I have to look for site 005-00C as it is not located in Regina. Lots of traveling to do now and many more DB updates to follow. Thanks again Jay !