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Old 05-31-2009, 11:16 AM
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Since getting a scanner recently I have been doing a bunch of searching on the FCC site for RR radio frequencies. Many of them listed for RR crossings is this so they can operate the signals at these crossings by radio? If need be I can post a link with some example. I have asked this on some RR forums but have not received any replies.
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Old 05-31-2009, 12:13 PM
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The warning signals at highway-rail crossings are typically controlled by track occupancy detection equipment that is bonded to the rails on either side of the highway crossing.

Rail traffic control signals are controlled by a number of means, including track occupancy detection equipment, data sent over wire line, and data sent via radio. Most of the radio systems use something other than VHF.

If you are finding FCC licenses for frequencies in the VHF rail band (160-161 MHz), there is probably a transmitter at that location. It may be a remote base so the train crews or maintenance people can talk to the dispatchers or it may be a defect detector that announces its condition to the passing train crews.
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Old 05-31-2009, 12:44 PM
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Here is one example. I am guessing MP stands for Mile Post. Thanks

Site: 5 Name: BROOKDALE AVE. Address: BROOKDALE AVE. RR CROSSING @ MP S 196.20 City: MACON, GA County: BIBB Coordinates: 32° 51' 13.2" N, 83° 40' 47.5" W
Frequency: 160.95000000 V 161.53500000 V
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the crossing has nothing to do with the frequency its self. the tower that the antenna is on for that frequency is located at the Coordinates and near the BROOKDALE AVE. RR CROSSING.

for FCC to license a frequency there looking for a address and the Coordinates for the tower on the license submission.

if you drive down there you should find a tower near the rail. the railways places towers on there land and most of the time near a crossing to make it easy for the folks that look after the radios to get there with there trucks.

hope that helps you out.

edit: looking at what is in your area you will find a lot of radio activity on many channels. if you like the railway the new scanner will not go to waste.
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Yes we have a main line from Norfolk & Southern about 2 blocks from my house then they all so have the N&S Browsman rail yard. All so the end of a short line Georgia Central. I need to get a better antenna for my scanner for when at home but just got laid off Friday so things are on hold.
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omrail I was up your way in July of 2005 riding my motorcycle to Alaska and stopped in and visited the Alberta Railway Museum.
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sorry to hear that you were just laid off. I am currently laid off from the Canadian Pacific Railway my self. I hope you liked Alberta and the Alberta Railway Museum only been there 1 time and some time ago. may have to go this summer.

the info above should be right. not much is different in the USA from Canada.
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46U - here is a little lo-down on the MP and huts.

I spent 31 years w/ AT&T, mostly in private line data/voice. When you drive down roads, highways, etc., you will see the small silver huts positioned along side the tracks. On top you will normally see a 1/4 wave VHF antenna. This is a remote station. The MP is, as you said, the Mile Post marker on the rail. We would get an order from NS, CSX or others to install a voice line at, say, MP 148 in East Bugaloo (that is the location that is listed in the FCC records). We would pass that info to the local Telco to install that portion. Most of the time we had to give them directions like "take highway 48 east out of East Bugaloo, go to Henderson Road and turn right. Cross the tracks, turn right on the dirt service road and travel 3.6 miles to the hut". They would get there and run the cable pairs to a block (usually an RJ21X or RJ45) or even just leave the 4 wires bare. We would test out the line and when all test were complete, we would connect that line to the NS, CSX or whoever else's circuit it was so they could go out and connect a two-way radio to the lines. Take for example CSX. Their southern region dispatch is in Jacksonville. They have hundreds of these private lines around the south. When a train needed to contact dispatch, all they had to do is key up and the the dispatcher would be able to hear them all the way down in Jax via the private line. If the dispatcher wanted to talk to a specific train, they would look where on the tracks they were, select the closest relay station and talk away. Most all of the signal lights are also operated that way except instead of a voice line, they would use a data line.

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46U,

You should join our Yahoo Group, alrails : Alabama Railroads. It's mainly for Alabama Railroad related topics but we cover all surrounding states pretty well too.

I have a website that has some info and scanner streams from all over Alabama located at Montgomery, AL Live Scanner Stream & Railroad Lineage. Also email me off list at the email address below, I have some railroad related material that you'll find interesting.
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