Scanamerica.us feed providers

DGroves · #1 (**permalink**) 04-23-2009, 02:03 AM

So to follow up on what Jim was starting but some censor Nazi that isn't even from Colorado took it upon himself to move. I will be one of the first to speculate and even bash this decision. I am half tempted to take my toys somewhere else. I do it for free and for Gordon that's fine. Gordon seemed like a very reasonable guy. From this biased and politically motivated website I see nothing but a bunch of power hungry mods that dispense the rules as they see fit. I am not going to waste my electricity and bandwidth that I pay for only for this website to benefit from unless I am getting paid for it. Granted I do not have one of the highest listened to feeds, but its the principle of the matter. The feed providers are volunteers and Gordon was in my view a not for profit guy. If he made money it wasn't very much I can imagine. Radio reference on the other hand seems to be all about the money. I suppose they expected some fall out from this decision and I hope Gordon made a good chunk of change from it. I will keep it up until I find another website worth hosting it, unless someone censor Nazi decides to mess with this post as well. If that happens I will make it quick and painless. Sorry to rain on the parade.

rdale · #2 (**permalink**) 04-23-2009, 09:09 AM

I agree. RR charges WAY too much for the ability to post messages on this forum. They charge WAY too much for you to look over the Wiki. They charge WAY too much for people who want to look at the database of millions of frequencies.

soncorn · #3 (**permalink**) 04-23-2009, 09:41 AM

I will guess that the response will be "don't let the door hit you on the way out".

If you can do it better, then leave and do it. Otherwise..

NorthCOVideo · #4 (**permalink**) 04-23-2009, 10:34 AM

Once again I don't think the Colorado forum is the place to be voicing your opinion about this. DGroves you're a nice guy and everything, but you are picking wrong venues to express your thoughts. Now the Colorado forum was not the only one that this information was given to and your feed is not the only one affected. Sure some may feel it as being wrong to switch, but everybody has their price, it is your decision if you want to switch to something else for a feed provider, but it may not get put to greater use than it does here or it did with scan America.

I'm tired of seeing people come on here and start up fights in the forums because of their beliefs and political views, what does that show for us in the Colorado forum, there are other places on this website for bashing and ranting, so PLEASE take it there.

abqscan · #5 (**permalink**) 04-23-2009, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DGroves

So to follow up on what Jim was starting but some censor Nazi that isn't even from Colorado took it upon himself to move.

Don, the moderator locked the thread because Lindsay, the owner of this website had already created a thread in the News section about Radio Reference Aquiring Scan America. Also, it doesn't matter where a moderator lives, you need to respect him as a moderator and a person. If Jim had created a new thread to talk about how nothing is going to change for the people hosting feeds here in Colorado, i'm sure it would not have been closed. But having several threads to talk about the same topic just does not make sense.

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I will be one of the first to speculate and even bash this decision. I am half tempted to take my toys somewhere else. I do it for free and for Gordon that's fine. Gordon seemed like a very reasonable guy.

Your correct! Gordon is a reasonable guy, thats why Linday has added him to his senior leadership team as his Lead Administrator and Manager - Live Audio. That means Gordon is still going to be in charge of all the Live Audio. why does this make you so upset?

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From this biased and politically motivated website I see nothing but a bunch of power hungry mods that dispense the rules as they see fit.

Biased and politically motivated website? Um... this is a scanner website the last time I checked. Theres only a small section in the Tavern to talk about politics. The mods are not power hungry. We only do what is asked of us. And why do you think its ok for you to not be held accountable for your actions?

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I am not going to waste my electricity and bandwidth that I pay for only for this website to benefit from unless I am getting paid for it. Granted I do not have one of the highest listened to feeds, but its the principle of the matter. The feed providers are volunteers and Gordon was in my view a not for profit guy. If he made money it wasn't very much I can imagine.

Why does it matter what URL people click on in order to monitor your feed? If someone wants to enjoy your feed, you should continue to let them do so. Your "principle of the matter" doesn't make any sense. Instead of guessing, why didn't you ask Gordon how much his business was making. I'm sure Gordon didn't just give Lindsay his business for free. And speaking of getting paid. People who do host a feed will get a free subscription to the site.

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Radio reference on the other hand seems to be all about the money. I suppose they expected some fall out from this decision and I hope Gordon made a good chunk of change from it. I will keep it up until I find another website worth hosting it, unless someone censor Nazi decides to mess with this post as well. If that happens I will make it quick and painless. Sorry to rain on the parade.

I don't understand why you are being so negative about this partnership between Gordon and Linsay. However, Don, it is very easy to host your own feed if you wish to do so. If you have any questions about doing so, please email or PM me and I will help you.

Don, were all here to enjoy the hobby we love. If you don't aggree with something, thats fine and you can argure your thoughts here. But if you are to put forth reasons for or against something, please have facts to back up your opinion to prevent it from turning into a quarrel of name calling and attacking others.

Just to be clear, opinions that are derogatory, attack other users, or are offensive in nature can and will be removed.

burner50 · #6 (**permalink**) 04-23-2009, 12:58 PM

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unless someone censor Nazi decides to mess with this post as well. If that happens I will make it quick and painless. Sorry to rain on the parade.

Happy to oblige...

The colorado discussion forum is not the place for this subject or this type of post... So i'm moving your thread to Rants.

CommJunkie · #7 (**permalink**) 04-23-2009, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rdale

I agree. RR charges WAY too much for the ability to post messages on this forum. They charge WAY too much for you to look over the Wiki. They charge WAY too much for people who want to look at the database of millions of frequencies.

Umm...just FYI, the forum and wiki and db must be pretty cheap, because I'm on here for free...

ILMRadioMan · #8 (**permalink**) 04-23-2009, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CommJunkie

Umm...just FYI, the forum and wiki and db must be pretty cheap, because I'm on here for free...

I think you missed the sarcasm

ntstar4 · #9 (**permalink**) 04-25-2009, 08:17 AM

I think the one big difference here is that ScanAmerica is a site to provide and listen to feeds all across the country, but to many of us it is also an outlet to have fun and discuss issues with our internet friend that some of us have had for years. I have a big interest in scanning and that is why I am also a member of this site but not active in the forums. I have used RR as a source of information. At ScanAmerica and ScanGwinnett in particular we enjoy posting pictures, changing avatars to suit our mood and having fun. As a moderator there I feel the mods do a good job at knowing when its time to put a stop to some of the nonsense without censorship. Gordon is a great guy to work with and you are very lucky to have him on your team.

Carol

SigSauer · #10 (**permalink**) 04-25-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ntstar4

I think the one big difference here is that ScanAmerica is a site to provide and listen to feeds all across the country, but to many of us it is also an outlet to have fun and discuss issues with our internet friend that some of us have had for years. I have a big interest in scanning and that is why I am also a member of this site but not active in the forums. I have used RR as a source of information. At ScanAmerica and ScanGwinnett in particular we enjoy posting pictures, changing avatars to suit our mood and having fun. As a moderator there I feel the mods do a good job at knowing when its time to put a stop to some of the nonsense without censorship. Gordon is a great guy to work with and you are very lucky to have him on your team.

Carol

+1

Atleast it's back to just being SG now

ntstar4 · #11 (**permalink**) 04-26-2009, 09:44 AM

posted wrong information sorry

foxtrotyankee · #12 (**permalink**) 04-26-2009, 07:23 PM

How much the RR pull in a month?

SigSauer · #13 (**permalink**) 04-26-2009, 08:22 PM

Mad dough, yo!

(I got no clue, just seeing if I gotta wait for approval after posting)

SigSauer · #14 (**permalink**) 04-26-2009, 08:40 PM

Sorry for the double post, just seeing if I got approved.

digitalanalog · #15 (**permalink**) 04-26-2009, 08:48 PM

And what does this have to do with the OP? or anything else as far as that goes?

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Originally Posted by foxtrotyankee

How much the RR pull in a month?

foxtrotyankee · #16 (**permalink**) 04-27-2009, 01:32 AM

[QUOTE=digitalanalog;1060502]And what does this have to do with the OP? or anything else as far as that goes?[/QUOT

Because it wont be providing my feeds for free to a money making machine like RR unless it getting mad cash. Better question is how much are the Mods getting paid on here?

tonsoffun · #17 (**permalink**) 04-27-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by foxtrotyankee

Better question is how much are the Mods getting paid on here?

I don't know why you are concerned with this but let me try and answer your question. When being sworn in to be a mod on RR we automatically go into early retirement, and me being 30 years old it is awesome.

Here is a pic of me, the other mods are all next door to me and each other overlooking the sea.

Hope this answers your question!

mtindor · #18 (**permalink**) 04-27-2009, 09:56 AM

I've been streaming to SA for quite some time. I have a limited audience for my feed [as do the vast majority of the other folk on SA]. You all would like to believe [as I would] that our single feed accounts for all the traffic that SA receives. But you would be wrong. In the big picture, each individual feed generates very little traffic unless you're providing a feed for a major metro area [most of us are not].

More importantly, if your feed or my feed were not on SA, you wouldn't be getting nearly as much traffic on it. There are exceptions [like ScanNewEngland, who already has an established website and clientele well before they started streaming to SA]. For the vast majority of the rest of us, if we were to stream our feeds on our own we would be pissing into the wind and benefiting nobody, not even ourselves.

Another thing is that you have amazing uptime when feeding to SA [versus feeding on your own or through another service]. I have a VPS that I _could_ stream my feed on, since I have Teamspeak running on it and an Icecast server. But, the VPS isn't nearly as reliable as SA. The only thing that stops my feeds from being available nearly 24/7/365 is my own computer/internet connection.

Should we get paid for providing feeds? Absolutely not, that's silly. If every single person dropped their feed and went home disgruntled, wimpering and whining, RR would still be around [and SA would still be around, even if it weren't acquired by RR]. The cost of providing the feeds to the general public, en mass, is prohibitive. The relationship between SA/RR and the feed provider is a mutually symbiotic relationship.

Half the allure [to the rest of the world] to go and lsiten to your [or my] podunk feed is the fact that if there is no activity on our feed somebody can easily go listen to one or more of many hundred feeds available and be entertained.

You guys really need to quit acting like babies. If you dont want ot feed, simply don't put your feed up. You don't need to make silly juvenile statements about not getting paid and taking your feeds elsewhere. If you feel that way, just do it. Nobody needs the drama.

SA did and SA/RR now do deserve to make any money that they can from providing the end-service to the general public.

Mike

hoser147 · #19 (**permalink**) 04-27-2009, 10:14 AM

Things like this happen in the business world all the time. Before making judgment see where things go. Really if you think about it Gordon could have sold to anyone, but he didnt, so why not give it some time and see where it goes. I wish Gordon and Lindsay the Best and hope it works out for the better for everyone involved. Hoser

KE4ZNR · #20 (**permalink**) 04-27-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by foxtrotyankee

Better question is how much are the Mods getting paid on here?

Well, thanks to Lindsay I am now just going into my IT job here everyday just for fun!

I drive 45+ mins to work each day 6 days a week not to earn money (because Lindsay has made us all millionaires) but for the love of the job. I really wish Tonsoffun did not post that pic of the beach scene as that was supposed to be top secret info.

Happy Monitoring!
Marshall KE4ZNR