The Official Thread: Live audio feeds, scanners, and... wait for it.. ENCRYPTION!

[RIVERSMVP09]

Ifthe feed owners or moderators shut them down when big action happens? Is there something to hide?

[RIVERSMVP09]

well

[xxdanielt3]

No, its the feed owners choice to shut the feed down or not. They might do it out of respect to the parties involved. If you don't like it, you could always move to the area where the feed you want to listen to is and monitor it yourself.

Good day.

[RIVERSMVP09]

I know its their choice, just seems like a dumb one.

[scannerfreak]

Moved to Rants. Have at it guys..

[RIVERSMVP09]

whomoved this an why

[scannerfreak]

This isn't a Live Audio Admin issue.

From the Admin side, the TOS is very clear as to what can and cannot be broadcasted. Those terms apply no matter what is happening on the feed. The Live Audio Admins cannot keep an eye on all 3,000+ feeds all the time. So while someone may be broadcasting channels that violate the TOS for a period of time, when a major incident occurs it becomes visible to the Admin team. It's then dealt with just as it would be if there wasn't a major incident going on.

Feed providers have the option to do what ever they want with their feeds. If they choose not to broadcast channels that would not otherwise violate the TOS, then that's up to them.

[RIVERSMVP09]

Any feed that is LEGAL to listen to should be allowed to be on the feeds. Only stuff like encrypted or cellphone convos should be blocked. Thasts my stand, Im sure many disagree.

[scannerfreak]

Stop creating threads. This is the thread for this topic. Post all you want to here.

[RIVERSMVP09]

fine Ive got a lot to say

[pepsima1]

I bet GRE has really had to made some hard decisions on shutting down productions on their scanner lines. Why keep investing money into R&D when in the long run there is going to be no money made on their investment. Common sense by the Chinese. They are smart people.

They are just keeping support going for another few years on their existing product line of scanners to keep their loyal customers happy until their scanners just die or are out of warranty. Then it will be just another paper weight.

They just figured why keep trying to build another latest and greatest scanner when everything is getting ENCRYTPED. The show is over. GRE knows the show is over. They shut down shop and time will tell if they ever come back. Its proven that all cities and counties and statewide systems are going to P25 Phase I and II TDMA and X2 and the word is out that ENCRYTION is the only way to stop all of these audio feeds and put the cops behind the brick wall for good. It sucks because I am a fan of scanning and I have loved it for years.

My county has been encrypted for 13 years now. All of law enforcement went encrypted when the word encryption was not even a word. Fire was left out of the equation but who knows when P25 Phase I or II comes along. Oh and of course all of the law enforcement will stay Encrytped for sure

UNIDEN is in big trouble if they are thinking about staying in the market and investing money into new products. I bet they are thinking about it behind closed doors because they see the trend and there is no way to push through and make new technology work with ENCRYPTION.

Thats why you have not seen any new companies come aboard and coming out with new products.

Nothing from UNIDEN or GRE or no one. Just trying to keep folks happy with firmware and software updates. Its a done deal at this point gentlemen.

They will just keep feeding your some KOOL-AID little by little until there is no more sugar left and then these companies will just fold and waste away into the sky.

After this whole outbreak with audio feeds about this COP Killer in LA this cap-sized the ship. All cities and counties and statewide agencies are all on-board with Motorola with ENCRYTION..... Hand Down for sure.

Honestly there is no way of fixing this problem at this point. Just enjoy whatever is left until all of the upgrades are done within the next couple of years and enjoy whatever hardware you are using because I dont see anything new coming. It would happened by now.

[JoeyC]

You speak as if the only product Uniden and GRE produce are scanners.

Is encrypting public safety radio increasing? You bet.
Will this be the end of scanners? I bet not.
Have we seen the last scanner model produced? I would't think so.

Much of what you say is true. Unfortunately it is the community that is its own worst enemy in this situation.
Is it the end of the world? I think not.

[zzdiesel]

I just bought a new PSR-600 to replace my failing Pro-197

[RonBon]

A P25 key sniffer is interesting. So is a legit flashed P25 radio with all the proper hardware. Run with it.....

[com501]

Originally Posted by RonBon

A P25 key sniffer is interesting. So is a legit flashed P25 radio with all the proper hardware. Run with it.....

Could you rephrase that so it makes some sense??

[RonBon]

Originally Posted by com501

Could you rephrase that so it makes some sense??

It was vague for a reason. There are passive methods to discovering an encryption key depending on the type of encryption implemented. Traffic analysis and sniffing programs. Then if you have a radio(properly flashed so there are no problems when using CPS) that supports the encryption used, you fill in the blanks. Seen it work with my own 2 eyes for a project 16 system. Never attempted with a phase 1 or 2 trunk system.
Don't really care anymore to well.....care.
The information is out there on how to approach it. New hobby for the scanner people once they become obsolete as many people seem to believe.

*edit* This is a time consuming task. It can drive you off the deep end with the amount of funny mistakes you make during the process.

[com501]

Don't even bother with AES256. A Cray couldn't do it in any reasonable time, until we gave it half the key. And by reasonable, I mean sometime short of a Presidential term. Certainly far longer than ANY key is viable.

[RonBon]

Yeah single DES was a bit more manageable, especially with an entire subkey exposed.

PS nice signature.

[com501]

Originally Posted by RonBon

PS nice signature.

LOL

[ScannaMan9]

Encryption is for major emergencies, and ONLY as ALTERNATE to normal ops channels, IMO
In my town, we have 3-4 cars on duty at once.