Pastor: Boycott Starbucks

[mikepdx]

SEATTLE -- A Christian pastor is calling on Christians all over the nation
to boycott Starbucks as long as the Seattle company continues to support gay rights.

The ban on Starbucks comes from Steven Andrew, president of USA "Christian" Ministries.

"Starbucks can follow Satan if they want to."
Just don't drink their Satan juice, according to Andrew.

Pastor: Boycott Starbucks | KOMO News, Seattle

You'd think that natural selection would have eliminated brain-dead morons like
Andrew the self-proclaimed "Christian" by now...

Hallelujah!!

[kayn1n32008]

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Word of the day: Talibangelicals... Describes this moron PERFECTLY

[Piston52Heavy]

Originally Posted by kayn1n32008

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Word of the day: Talibangelicals... Describes this moron PERFECTLY

I wouldn't call this guy a moron. I would guess he believes in the Bible and the Bible talks about how God is against homosexual activity. I would also say it's a sure bet this guy also believes in Adam and Eve - not Adam and Steve. I'm sure the Pope is against gays as well. Would you consider the Pope to be a moron? I look at it like this, if you're gay, whatever. I really don't care. I just don't wanna see this crap all over TV. It's like a plug and an outlet - they go together alot better than two plugs! - If you know what I mean!

[tampabaynews]

Meanwhile, my pastor bleeds Starbucks. Goes to show you there's more division in Christianity than people think.

[N1RGR]

Originally Posted by tampabaynews

Meanwhile, my pastor bleeds Starbucks. Goes to show you there's more division in Christianity than people think.

And as a Christian where do you stand? Do you believe homosexuality to be sin?

[N1RGR]

Originally Posted by mikepdx

You'd think that natural selection would have eliminated brain-dead morons like
Andrew the self-proclaimed "Christian" by now...

Hallelujah!!

Paul also spoke out against sexual immorality in the Bible. Would you also consider him be be a self-proclaimed "Christian" and a moron as well?

[tampabaynews]

Originally Posted by N1RGR

And as a Christian where do you stand? Do you believe homosexuality to be sin?

Homosexuality is a sin, it's clearly in the Bible and anyone who says any different is in denial. My church doesn't condone homosexuality, but we also don't alienate them and anyone else for that matter. We believe in "come as you are" because no one is perfect and will never be perfect.

If any Christian tells you they're "good enough to go to Heaven," they are retrospectively saying Jesus dying for our sins was totally unnecessary because they can achieve salvation on their own merit. If going to Heaven meant you had to be sin-free from the moment you accepted Jesus Christ in your life, all Christians would go to hell because we're all sinners.

Jesus was notorious for spending time with prostitutes, criminals, and others who really needed His Salvation. Because ultimately, it's the sick that need Him the most, not the healthy as He said in paraphrase. I as well have had homosexual friends and a few are regular members of my church. I would be a hypocrite to alienate them because I am also a sinner in my own ways.

For the certain people on here who like to place everyone in groups.... all I am saying is that there is division in Christianity, that's why there are many denominations. For instance, I partake in Communion at my church every month (United Methodist), but if I stepped into any Catholic church, I could not unless I was Catholic.

[N1RGR]

Originally Posted by tampabaynews

Homosexuality is a sin, it's clearly in the Bible and anyone who says any different is in denial. My church doesn't condone homosexuality, but we also don't alienate them and anyone else for that matter. We believe in "come as you are" because no one is perfect and will never be perfect.

We agree it is clearly in the Bible. In fact God said that such acts are detestable.

Originally Posted by tampabaynews

If any Christian tells you they're "good enough to go to Heaven," they are retrospectively saying Jesus dying for our sins was totally unnecessary because they can achieve salvation on their own merit. If going to Heaven meant you had to be sin-free from the moment you accepted Jesus Christ in your life, all Christians would go to hell because we're all sinners.

Again we agree.

Originally Posted by tampabaynews

Jesus was notorious for spending time with prostitutes, criminals, and others who really needed His Salvation. Because ultimately, it's the sick that need Him the most, not the healthy as He said in paraphrase. I as well have had homosexual friends and a few are regular members of my church. I would be a hypocrite to alienate them because I am also a sinner in my own ways.

No we should not alienate them. And NO you would not be a hypocrite by speaking out against a fellow believer who has embraced the homosexual lifestyle. As Christians we have a responsibility to teach the flock that such acts are detestable to God. The willful continuation of such sin without repenting could cost ones salvation. Jesus clearly said to the prostitute now go and sin no more! He did not say go and continue as you were.

As we Christians well know Paul clearly spoke out against such acts among those who were followers of Christ. Paul was certainly NOT silent or afraid of speaking out against sexual immorality and sin among fellow Christians.

Romans 6:12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires.

In 1st Corinthians chapter 5. Paul explains that we should expel believers who continue to partake in sexual immorality.

[kb2vxa]

Asking Christians to boycott Starschmucks is like asking Gays to boycott Gay bars. Thanks for the luls Pastor Steve and when I have my morning cup of Satan juice I'll be thinking of you.

[gewecke]

Originally Posted by N1RGR

And as a Christian where do you stand? Do you believe homosexuality to be sin?

I'm not a christian and simply put, homosexuality is just unchecked mental illness. People tend to make more out of this issue than what it really is.

73,
n9zas

[K3HY]

Times sure have changed.

Mitt Romney Adds Openly Gay Adviser to Team; Mormon Beliefs Questioned

The announcement from Romney's camp on Thursday did not identify Grenell as an openly gay man, but focused on his political career. The former U.S. ambassador aid, however, is reportedly living with his long-term partner in California but is expected to eventually work at Romney's headquarters in Boston.

[zz0468]

If you all stay the hell out of other people's pants and other people's bedrooms, you'll find it doesn't matter what their sexual orientation is. Sure the Bible says it's a sin. It also says that stoning people is an appropriate form of punishment for relatively minor crimes. Maybe the whole thing is archaic.

Educated and enlightened people have come to realize that homosexuality is common enough that it's now considered within the (wide) range of acceptably normal human behaviors.

As for Starbucks, a better reason to boycott is because the coffee is horrible. On the other hand, they support the gay community, so that alone would be enough for a LOT of people, a lot of straight people even, to go there in spite of the horrible coffee. You can always get a green tea.

[kb2vxa]

Oh you noticed that? I've boycotted Starschmuck's from the beginning, I'm not about paying a fortune for a cup of agua culo.

NOW do you believe in resurrection? The thread has been dead for more than two months and long past stinking when Bruce said "Andrew, arise and come forth!", Then ZZ took up the torch and saw the tomb was as empty as the Pastor's head. (;->)

[datainmotion]

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Do those same "educated and enlightened" people also see how common murder has become? Or how about sexual relations between teachers and students?
Before someone puts words in my mouth, saying I'm comparing "A to B", don't bother - I'm simply pointing out the flaw in ZZ's rationale.

[zz0468]

Originally Posted by datainmotion

Do those same "educated and enlightened" people also see how common murder has become? Or how about sexual relations between teachers and students?

You're kidding, right? Estimates of how prevalent homosexuality is something like 10%-13% of males, and about half that for females. You tell me what percentage of the human population are murderers or abusive teachers. Cripes, there are more homosexuals in the world than people that have type B positive blood, and that's considered perfectly normal.

When you come up with some REAL statistics, come back and make that comparison with a straight face.

Originally Posted by datainmotion

Before someone puts words in my mouth, saying I'm comparing "A to B", don't bother - I'm simply pointing out the flaw in ZZ's rationale.

You're attempting to show a flaw in my rationale with a flawed comparison of statistics, and then telling us not to call you on it? What the hell kind of logical argument is that?

[datainmotion]

Originally Posted by zz0468

You're kidding, right? Estimates of how prevalent homosexuality is something like 10%-13% of males, and about half that for females. You tell me what percentage of the human population are murderers or abusive teachers. Cripes, there are more homosexuals in the world than people that have type B positive blood, and that's considered perfectly normal.

When you come up with some REAL statistics, come back and make that comparison with a straight face.

Your specific statement was "homosexuality is common enough that it's now considered within the (wide) range of acceptably normal human behaviors." My point is this - if enough people partake in a certain activity, does that then make it an acceptable human behavior?

You're attempting to show a flaw in my rationale with a flawed comparison of statistics, and then telling us not to call you on it? What the hell kind of logical argument is that?

Re-read and you'll see that I didn't want anyone putting words in my mouth (i.e. - making a direct comparison between homosexuality and murder, for instance)

[N1RGR]

Originally Posted by datainmotion

Your specific statement was "homosexuality is common enough that it's now considered within the (wide) range of acceptably normal human behaviors." My point is this - if enough people partake in a certain activity, does that then make it an acceptable human behavior?

According to zz0468...If its popular in society then it should be considered "normal human behavior"

[datainmotion]

Furthermore, a statement like "Estimates of how prevalent homosexuality is something like 10%-13% of males, and about half that for females." being used as basis for a "statistical" argument is flawed as well. Where does that "estimate" come from? What is the margn of error on "something like" - .1%, 1%, 10%?

Quite frankly, I don't know that anyone will ever truly know what percentage of the population is homosexual and why is it important? Maybe it's important because certain people believe that if you make the number high enough, that the populace will then believe it's normal (or at least those pushing that number THINK that's what the populace will think) and that helps to further an agenda.

[zz0468]

Originally Posted by datainmotion

Your specific statement was "homosexuality is common enough that it's now considered within the (wide) range of acceptably normal human behaviors." My point is this - if enough people partake in a certain activity, does that then make it an acceptable human behavior?

"Acceptable" to whom? There will always be someone who is unhappy with just about anything someone else might do, if they chose to unhappy about it.

Most people are completely disinterested in what other people do within the privacy of their own lives. It doesn't become a problem until someone steps outside the boundaries of their own lives, and demands that everyone else conform to their idea as to what's acceptable. And that, to me, is unacceptable.

Originally Posted by datainmotion

Re-read and you'll see that I didn't want anyone putting words in my mouth (i.e. - making a direct comparison between homosexuality and murder, for instance)

You attempt to point out a flaw in my statement by making a flawed statement. That makes absolutely no sense to me. What, then, was the point of your statement at all?

[zz0468]

Originally Posted by N1RGR

According to zz0468...If its popular in society then it should be considered "normal human behavior"

Did I say "popular"?

There is a substantial segment of the population that was just BORN THAT WAY. It's not a choice. It's not a lifestyle decision. It's a biological reality that's as real to them as being hetero is to you and me. And that substantial segment is large enough that medical and psychological science does consider within the normal range of human behavior.

You don't have to like it. But you DO have to let people live their lives their way, and not your way.