Please your Definition of God

[wingmaker]

"You won't find salvation or wisdom in scfi novels." I most certainly agree i say only from within will you find salvation through the spark of Light/God within all things, that is the journey home. "How about this if you think about it were all ETs the bodies we use are made up of star dust and the soul well thats definitly not from here." it is true though is it not science does tell us that here and now, well not about the soul that was mine there. "When you get to your golden years you'll see what you were" i agree i will understand alot more by then but i already understand very well what i am here in this vehicle and what i am within and beyond this vehicle. "When I was a child I thought like a child" i dont know the context of this in the bible but how you put it, in that context to me it would mean we need to be more like a child in thought the innocence the purness without polluted beliefs that chain us down. To me if anyones belief in the spiritual stuff starts from anything but unity it is doomed if it starts in thinking we are not all equal regardless of how far you are along the path to enlightenment or beyond as Jesus was helping us with our evolutionary journey here and will ascend in evolutionary service when our journey to understand the light within is complete and another part of the journey comes to our shore. I LIKE THAT POEM. Also i believe alot of jesus type people came here like Krishna, Muhammad witch if im thinking right is supposed to come back also like Jesus in the Muslum religion the Budda there were more that i cant think of right now but just as EQUAL to jesus just a we are here. I believe in Jesus and LOVE him very much for his contributions to us but i dont believe he is the only way i believe another was is within the light god put in us to awaken us and is in the process. My beliefs are ever expanding to encompass more Truth as long as the individual gots there truth and believes that is ALL THAT MATTERS! LOVE AND BLESSINGS

[kb2vxa]

"When I was a child I thought like a child" i dont know the context of this in the bible..."
I have forgotten the entire passage and original context (never memorized the Bible verbatim, just know what I have gotten from it) so what I meant is your thinking is immature. Like parents say, you'll understand when you get older.

"...but how you put it, in that context to me it would mean we need to be more like a child in thought the innocence the purness without polluted beliefs that chain us down."
That's a different Jesus quote that has to do with becoming as a little child. Not a child in thought but a child without mental clutter open to new teaching. In other words wipe the slate clean and begin anew, take the suggestion and toss out all those tangled beliefs and read the Bible without all that junk getting in the way. You'll see things in a new light, the light of God you've not seen before.

"...Jesus was helping us with our evolutionary journey..."
Creationists would have a fit with that statement. The Earth was created in 6 days, it is less than 6,000 years old and fossils were put here by Satan to confuse us into believing Darwin. The "Scopes Monkey Trial" failed, the conflict rages on as evidenced by the flood of nonsense from the Bible Belt Republicans along the campaign trail. Never forget rape is God's will!

That "poem" is a song by Joni Mitchell but I like the jazzed up version by Crosby, Stills & Nash better. Maybe that's why the version by CS&N rose to the top while the original sank to the bottom?

As a teacher Jesus was not alone, Krishna (an aspect of Rama, not a god in himself), Buddha, Mohammad are the most well known but there were many others. Some are considered divine, others were given divinity by Man and others somewhere between. I've read the Bible several times and use it for the occasional reference, lost my copy of the Bagava Gita (darn) am working on the Koran and several texts deleted from the Bible and others never included. The thing most important to me is what all recognized religions have in common and in common with the heart of Man, do unto your neighbor what you would have your neighbor do unto you, what we call the Golden Rule.

Jesus himself mentioned this when he quoted the First Commandment and the Golden Rule together saying "on these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets". Just as important in illustrating the heart of Man and what God put there is a passage in Revelations/Apocalypse where the Holy Spirit gives God's opinion of the Seven Churches to John on Patmos. He has gripes with six and praises the seventh, six are actual places where the Apostles set up churches while the seventh is not. Archaeologists never found it and never will being it is of the Earth but not part of it, it is the church of Philadelphia, the church of brotherly love, the church of the heart.

"...but just as EQUAL to jesus just a we are here."
Pardon my mirth but if that were the case we'd be gods. The only thing equal is we are his brothers and sisters, he being the firstborn and the last, the Alpha and the Omega. That's what Joni meant by "a child of God".

"My beliefs are ever expanding to encompass more Truth..."
Just be careful, the devil is never more powerful than when he appears as a being of light (truth). His name is Lucifer, bringer of light, the morning star (Venus) that rises just before dawn. The Bible says there are wolves among us, wolves in sheep's clothing so don't believe everything you hear, VERIFY it in scripture and if you don't understand listen to the small voice within you.

There is another thing to be said about Lucifer, the star that rises before dawn. There will come the Antichrist but so many misunderstand the meaning of the name! They think "anti" meaning against makes the name "against the christ" against the savior in opposition or the inverse of a savior. (I didn't capitalize it, christ means savior and is a title, not a name.) Anti has another meaning, before as in antediluvian, before the flood. Taken in that context Antichrist means "before (the) savior", the one who comes first, the false savior who leads the world to believe he will save it but leads it into destruction.

"LOVE AND BLESSINGS"
Live long and prosper.

[ridgescan]

Warren-not to entrap you, but do you have an opinion as to whether or not "lucifer" is already presenting? Just asking based on what I believe we're seeing unfold in the Holy land.

[N1RGR]

Originally Posted by kb2vxa

Again you misunderstand, this time what believing in something means. The quote has a much deeper meaning, taken literally only those who take Communion would be saved and is most unfair to others. Why would God create Man only to throw away the greater portion of it?

John 6:27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”

John 6:33 For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
“Sir,” they said, “always give us this bread.”Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe.

Mark 16:16 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

1 Cor 10:16 Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? 17 Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf.


By the way Warren.....Jesus is just alright with me,Jesus is just alright oh yeah! I dont care what they may say,I dont care what they may do Jesus is just alright right...oh yeah!

[wingmaker]

"Why would God create Man only to throw away the greater portion of it?" It wouldnt its that simple we are all in this together all of us our prescious to our Source to me there is no dought in this. "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned." This is UNTRUE we our loved deeply regardless of what we do, this is the LOVE for us, and the Freewill we have to journey in this life however we want without Sin or Condemnation. To ridgescan in my opinion i wouldnt say it is Lucifer i would say its people expressing behaviors of Clouded/Veiled Minds in ingnorence of who they and there within and lack of identification with the inner spark witch relates to lack of LOVE for there fellow man, and to much identification in the mind and ego that for now is lost in seperation. I meant think like i child in the sense of oneness the pureness the lack of judgement of there witch comes on pretty much from 5 years old it can start, some later depending on influence from people,tv all that stuff and goes on forever throughout your life as your being entrained by culture, and the veils it creates between us and our inner spark. Creationist im not to sure about what they believe so i cant comment but regardless " whatever floats there boat" i believe krishna and all others were exemplers of there time and represent where we are going much Love to all of them. We do become Gods in time to some like say if we could time travel or just go to a planet about 2000 years behind us in evolution they would think we were gods in 50 to 100 years more than likely even know. My view stating simply is that jesus represents what we will become when our light within awakens witch is already starting and will continue on into our very awesome future. I really love the discussions with you guys i just love other peoples views even if they dont coincide with mine, i believe that each of our beliefs are perfect exactly where we need to be. LOVE AND BLESSINGS YOU GUYS AND TO ALL AND PLEASE PRAY FOR THE MIDDLE EAST! P.S. Ridgescan is my writing getting better im trying to get better Thanks.

[ridgescan]

Yeah Rob I see ya making the effort Keep in mind when you're typing, when you sense a pause in your sentence, put a comma there. When you know a sentence is complete, put a period there Look at my sentences in here and see what the commas and periods do.(the smilies can be a period with personality)

[wingmaker]

Thanks Ridgescan for the help, ill get it in time. I like the way you put a teaching into your comment for me, that is AWESOME. How do you do the smileys after sentences, also how do you put someones comment into a quote, to then follow with your answer? Thanks again and LOVE and BLESSINGS

[kb2vxa]

Lucifer has been "presenting" since the Garden of Eden with his first presentation of himself as a being of light.

"Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty."
I'm quite familiar with the bread of life and the water of life, "Give us this day our daily bread." has nothing to do with food for the body but rather food for the spirit.

Funny how out of all my readings the Bible is full of my god can kick your god's butt, mine is the only god and mine is the only path to salvation and the only one that even mentions salvation. All this makes me suspicious about the authors' agendas, not saying they're wrong but it makes me wonder.

Why pray for the Middle East or the world for that matter? Prayer will not change prophesy, the stage is being set for what will be. Ground must be cleared if anything is to be built on it, do not fear redevelopment but rejoice in it. I for one prefer eternal life in a mansion to this mortality in a slum.

[ridgescan]

Originally Posted by kb2vxa

Lucifer has been "presenting" since the Garden of Eden with his first presentation of himself as a being of light.

"Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty."
I'm quite familiar with the bread of life and the water of life, "Give us this day our daily bread." has nothing to do with food for the body but rather food for the spirit.

Funny how out of all my readings the Bible is full of my god can kick your god's butt, mine is the only god and mine is the only path to salvation and the only one that even mentions salvation. All this makes me suspicious about the authors' agendas, not saying they're wrong but it makes me wonder.

Why pray for the Middle East or the world for that matter? Prayer will not change prophesy, the stage is being set for what will be. Ground must be cleared if anything is to be built on it, do not fear redevelopment but rejoice in it. I for one prefer eternal life in a mansion to this mortality in a slum.

Funny they said as much this am in the sermon at mass!! I get ya Warren. At this point, prayers are moot.

[ridgescan]

Originally Posted by wingmaker

Thanks Ridgescan for the help, ill get it in time. I like the way you put a teaching into your comment for me, that is AWESOME. How do you do the smileys after sentences, also how do you put someones comment into a quote, to then follow with your answer? Thanks again and LOVE and BLESSINGS

In the posting box of each person's post, at bottom right is a blue "quote" icon-click on it and it will instantly place that person's post as a quote into the reply box. You can start your reply in the space below that
Far as smilies, they are at the right of the reply box-when you want to put one after a sentence, just complete your sentence, then click whichever smilie you want there and it automatically inserts itself after your sentence
Try it out-quote my post here then reply using a couple smilies.

[N1RGR]

Originally Posted by wingmaker

"Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned." This is UNTRUE we our loved deeply regardless of what we do, this is the LOVE for us, and the Freewill we have to journey in this life however we want without Sin or Condemnation.

This is untrue?Are you suggesting that Jesus lied? This is what puzzles me about your view of Jesus. You seem to acknowledge his importance to mankind yet don't believe anything he has said pertaining to mankind and salvation?

Originally Posted by wingmaker

My view stating simply is that jesus represents what we will become when our light within awakens witch is already starting and will continue on into our very awesome future.

You are correct. Jesus represents what we will become if we are baptised by the Holy Spirit and if we accept his word as spiritual food. Jesus said I am the way and the truth life and that no one comes to the father but by me. Jesus does NOT say that we can achieve eternal life any other way.

Originally Posted by wingmaker

I really love the discussions with you guys i just love other peoples views even if they dont coincide with mine, i believe that each of our beliefs are perfect exactly where we need to be. LOVE AND BLESSINGS YOU GUYS AND TO ALL AND PLEASE PRAY FOR THE MIDDLE EAST! P.S. Ridgescan is my writing getting better im trying to get better Thanks.

I believe the seven seals are being broken and time is running short. Look to the skies because redemption is at the door.The Lord and the Heavenly hosts or ET's will return. At that time we will all know the truth and the truth shall set us free!

LOVE AND BLESSINGS.

[Net-5]

God does not exist. And religion is a fairy tale of self delusion.

[kb2vxa]

"...also how do you put someones comment into a quote, to then follow with your answer?"

Highlight the text, copy and paste, then place a quotation mark before and after. (;->)

[wingmaker]

"Why pray for the Middle East or the world for that matter?" because as ive said before were all in this together and innocent people are dieing there is no better reason!

" I for one prefer eternal life in a mansion to this mortality in a slum" you already have eternal life in the "mansion', this mortality slum is what its all about really I LOVE THIS PLANET it will be awesome and no slum when humanity wakes ups to there true identity, i bet you come here 100 years or so you wouldnt say that.

"Are you suggesting that Jesus lied?" HELL NO, he stated some awesome Truths mankind has who misunderstood him and twisted what he means, I bet if you were at that time as you are know, you would understand his teaching as they were and always have been.

"Jesus represents what we will become if we are baptised by the Holy Spirit and if we accept his word as spiritual food" and "Jesus does NOT say that we can achieve eternal life any other way.' Jesus represents what we will become.... its that simple. The Holy Spirit in my belief is the light/ the first word/vibration sent out flowing from God/Source into all things, or you could also in a way say its Gods will, simply its his light/love connecting all life.

"I believe the seven seals are being broken and time is running short. Look to the skies because redemption is at the door.The Lord and the Heavenly hosts or ET's will return. At that time we will all know the truth and the truth shall set us free!" yes its already started in the 2000s and will continue till around mid 2010s. ETs will come here and more than likely before 2020, even could happen sooner, like year or 2 or 3, but just dont upright and believe what they might tell us about who and what we are, hopefully what i think is very possible is they will just show up make there presence known but they wont interfere with social order.

"Highlight the text, copy and paste, then place a quotation mark before and after. (;->) ' this is how ive done it a couple of times, without the seperation though, i agree it is easier but i want to learn how to do the other way also.

LOVE AND BLESSINGS Thanks Ridgescan

[kb2vxa]

Innocent people always die, it's called collateral damage. As I said the stage is being set according to God's will so praying that God should act against his will is vanity. To quote ridgescan:
"Funny they said as much this am in the sermon at mass!! I get ya Warren."
Obviously I am not alone in realizing what is vanity, that which knowingly goes for naught or is self serving.

"...you already have eternal life in the "mansion'..."
I never try to second guess God, that is his decision and his alone so I won't know until the decision is made. There are no guarantees in this life or any other.

"...I LOVE THIS PLANET..."
You love living in this mess with sin and madness all around you? Earth is a prison and we're all sentenced to life, punished for being born. I hope you wake up and realize WHY it is said of the dead; don't cry for him, cry for your loss, he's in a better place now.
"... i bet you come here 100 years or so you wouldnt say that."
When I leave I'll turn my back never to return, once around this merry go round is quite enough. Even Hindus who believe in reincarnation have the ultimate goal in mind, to reach Nirvana.

There's no sense arguing over what Jesus said when we have no way of knowing WHAT he said. Those quotes are inaccurate at best having been recorded generations after his departure and there is no way of asking questions of someone who is not here in the flesh. There are several Bibles, each a different translation and differences in syntax make all the difference in interpretation. If I were a scholar who could read ancient consonantal Hebrew and ancient Greek I'd be closer to the truth but still not spot on since everything that was written was passed through verbal tradition (storytelling) for generations before being written.

"I believe the seven seals are being broken and time is running short."
No they're not, the Tribulation has not yet begun.

"Look to the skies because redemption is at the door."
Unless you're an astrologer all you'll see are stars. He said look for signs in the heavens and the Earth, actually divination the Church condemns and why the masses disbelieve in astrology. There's a good example of doctrine against scripture and why I hate the church. Lacking the ancient wisdom I turn to signs in the Earth but I'm not confused by the end is near garbage that's been around since dirt was invented. Angels and bowls appear in the heavens but there I'm blind, when I see the dragon, the age old serpent the whole world wonders after THEN I'll know the end is near.

The whole world wondered after Bush but knows the difference between a dragon and a jackass.

Yeah, I couldn't help but notice you use my method of quoting and I know the message board way too. Stick with me kid, together we can piss them off REAL good. (;->)

[N1RGR]

Originally Posted by kb2vxa

There's no sense arguing over what Jesus said when we have no way of knowing WHAT he said. Those quotes are inaccurate at best having been recorded generations after his departure and there is no way of asking questions of someone who is not here in the flesh. There are several Bibles, each a different translation and differences in syntax make all the difference in interpretation. If I were a scholar who could read ancient consonantal Hebrew and ancient Greek I'd be closer to the truth but still not spot on since everything that was written was passed through verbal tradition (storytelling) for generations before being written.

It obvious FAITH is just another five letter word for you Warren. There are obviously no mustard seeds in your pockets. I doubt very much Paul would have given up his life defending a bunch of tales,fables and made up stories. But we all have been given free will by God to decide for ourselves whether to accept or reject his message for mankind. I choose to accept! To believe or NOT to believe that is the question. Hopefully my investment in FAITH pays off in the next life.lol.

By the way I pray that you two will learn to use the [/QUOTE] feature. It would make it much easier to read your posts. I bet your still using a rotary dial phone Warren.

[K6ARL]

God is the Supreme Being, Who made all things, and keeps them in existence.

Supreme: God is above all others; there is no one He owes reverence to.
Made all things: the Creator of everything, whether in its present appearance, or in a previous appearance, Keeps them in existence: He is the source of all things. All things depend on Him and draw their existence from Him.

God does not depend on any other being for His existence. He is Existence Itself. All things we know have a base that they draw their existence from, or are composed of. God is outside these restrictions. He, one might say, is the Base from which all other things exist from.

Respectfully yours,
Karl

[Net-5]

Originally Posted by wingmaker

"Why pray for the Middle East or the world for that matter?" because as ive said before were all in this together and innocent people are dieing there is no better reason!

Prayer is self delusion, just as surely as religion is the opiate of the masses. We are all in this together? Hardly.

[N1RGR]

Originally Posted by K6ARL

God is the Supreme Being, Who made all things, and keeps them in existence.

Supreme: God is above all others; there is no one He owes reverence to.
Made all things: the Creator of everything, whether in its present appearance, or in a previous appearance, Keeps them in existence: He is the source of all things. All things depend on Him and draw their existence from Him.

God does not depend on any other being for His existence. He is Existence Itself. All things we know have a base that they draw their existence from, or are composed of. God is outside these restrictions. He, one might say, is the Base from which all other things exist from.

Respectfully yours,
Karl

Summed up very well Karl! I like to say we are because God is!

[kb2vxa]

"It obvious FAITH is just another five letter word for you Warren."
You're off on another tangent that has nothing to do with my faith not under discussion nor will it be. I simply explained the obvious, you reject reality and substitute your own and call it "faith". One has nothing to do with the other.

"All things depend on Him and draw their existence from Him."
There is faith and I have no argument with it. In fact religion and politics being so intertwined arguing them is pointless with hard headed fundamentalists round about who make it up as they go along.