Please your Definition of God

[N1RGR]

Originally Posted by kb2vxa

I saw her face morph through the cover art on King Crimson's Court Of The Crimson King ending up with this one. Her dirty trick backfired, I woke up laughing so hard I nearly wet the bed.

Are you sure she wasn't slipping you shrooms in your corn flakes? That sounds to me like a bad acid trip man.

[wingmaker]

Originally Posted by kb2vxa

Crazy is right, there's more symbolism perhaps you didn't notice. The 21st Century Schizoid Man has two left hands, one outstretched palm up and the other forming a familiar sign. Where have you seen that sign before? In practice the hands are not of the same individual but they are of the same body.

That's not a riddle, think on it. Perhaps you have seen this countless times and never made the connection. I'm not trying to confuse you but I am leading you to draw a certain conclusion. Should you get it on your own the impact will be more powerful that if I tell you, you'd be amazed but I want you to be astounded.

Put dreams on hold for now, they'll surely distract you so stay the course, we can get back to them later.

Yes you definitly did, you made my ears smoke and my eyes go crossed, I suppose you could be makin fun but that wouldnt matter, so im not sure. I cant turn off dreams there just there, although sometimes like I said I become conscious in them, but they just happen

Originally Posted by ridgescan

Wait wait- lemme go make some smores and hot choclate and I'll rejoin yas

Originally Posted by N1RGR

Are you sure she wasn't slipping you shrooms in your corn flakes? That sounds to me like a bad acid trip man.

Almost, but dreams can be very trippy like LOVE AND BLESSINGS

[kb2vxa]

"Are you sure she wasn't slipping you shrooms in your corn flakes?"
She wouldn't know a shroom from a potato.

"That sounds to me like a bad acid trip man."
Got that right, she was a bad acid trip but with a difference. I woke up from her laughing, when I woke up from a bad acid trip I wasn't laughing, I was in jail.

"Yes you definitly did, you made my ears smoke and my eyes go crossed..."
Strange how I end up doing that to people.

Not making fun in the least, but when I do nothing personal and you can tell a joke or sarcasm by my winkie. (;->) No, that's not a smiley. (:->) I didn't ask you to stop dreaming, I asked you put further discussion on hold as not to wander away from me until you draw that conclusion. I'm wondering if you have a short attention span, you jumped away with no mention of what I was leading you to.

"Almost, but dreams can be very trippy like"
Just ask Cheech and Chong. Nice Dreams - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[wingmaker]

Originally Posted by kb2vxa

Not making fun in the least, but when I do nothing personal and you can tell a joke or sarcasm by my winkie. (;->) No, that's not a smiley. (:->) I didn't ask you to stop dreaming, I asked you put further discussion on hold as not to wander away from me until you draw that conclusion. I'm wondering if you have a short attention span, you jumped away with no mention of what I was leading you to.

I wont take it personal its all good Oh I see, but I didnt get the conclusion. Yeah I kinda do have a short attention span, depending on the subject at hand, or if Im confused witch I was in your case
LOVE AND BLESSINGS

[kb2vxa]

OK, here's a clue. Each hand is a familiar gesture, identify them and we can take it from there. If you can't identify the one on the left I take it you're Jewish.

[wingmaker]

Originally Posted by kb2vxa

OK, here's a clue. Each hand is a familiar gesture, identify them and we can take it from there. If you can't identify the one on the left I take it you're Jewish.

I think Give me Peace, I would say 2 fingers peace and hand out meaning giving or wanting something.
LOVE AND BLESSINGS

[kb2vxa]

OK, I see you'll never get it so here it is. The cover art is church sarcasm, the hand on the left is giving the sign of the cross and the one on the right is the hand out for money. The face is highly exaggerated body language with vampire teeth. It's somebody's notion of the face hidden by the Rood Screen.
Rood screen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now where were we? Oh yeah, the shaman mixing the stuff to prepare for your vision quest. One day when you're ready to talk with Mescalito you will and he will enlighten you.

Check your local book store, if they don't have it they can order it for you. I read it some years ago and highly recommend it.
The Teachings of Don Juan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The one that followed is another "must read".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Separate_Reality

[wingmaker]

Originally Posted by kb2vxa

OK, I see you'll never get it so here it is. The cover art is church sarcasm, the hand on the left is giving the sign of the cross and the one on the right is the hand out for money. The face is highly exaggerated body language with vampire teeth. It's somebody's notion of the face hidden by the Rood Screen.
Rood screen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now where were we? Oh yeah, the shaman mixing the stuff to prepare for your vision quest. One day when you're ready to talk with Mescalito you will and he will enlighten you.

Check your local book store, if they don't have it they can order it for you. I read it some years ago and highly recommend it.
The Teachings of Don Juan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The one that followed is another "must read".
A Separate Reality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I dont see how the left hand is giving the sign of the cross? I have had a few tries with LSD but first couple nothing happened, the last and final time was a little scary, so no more of them things, although you most likely can find some interesting things while tripping. But all in all, we dont need anything/anyone to enlighten us, it is through applying the principles of the heart(think with your heart) in your day to day expierences and understanding who and what you are at a fundamental level.

These ( think with your heart and apply it in your life expierence and understanding of who/what you are fundamentally) are 2 things that will set you on the path to brightening/stregthening your Inner light, witch will ultimately reunite your total selfhood for full expression in all dimensions and fields of vibration. All in all, its your connected to your creator and understand that you are one, and you will peer through your souls windows into all realms of your souls co-creative experience.

The windows or doors if you would prefer, are the portals from your soul to other lives, that are expierenced simulatneously by the soul/light body, it is only in time/space/energy and matter the seperate these expierences from eachother, but when out of time/space from the souls view there all happening in the NOW.

Those books seem pretty darn interesting, I wont pay for any of them, but I will see what I can read from them on the internet. LOVE AND BLESSINGS

[wingmaker]

I was reading some of Don Juans beliefs, there very good I believe you should have payed more attention to some things he says, even more so then the stories in the Bible, in my opinion Don Juan and his beliefs will teach you more then the Bible can.

Here is a awesome quotes out of some of his beliefs... I will CAPITALIZE very important references in the following.

According to the mythology shared by don Juan’s predecessors, the world is governed by the universal divine Eagle. This was their concept of God. However fantastic it seems, it is monotheistic.

This Eagle FEEDS ON SOULS THE LEAVE THE HUMAN BODIES. But the Eagle also confers the chance on some people to “skip” past His beak after death and to achieve immortality, provided that during their life in the body they acquired skills necessary for this, developed themselves as consciousnesses to the required degree, and gained the required power.( The CAPITIALIZED above I can understand being FRIGHTENING, but that part just to force a person to make efforts of self-perfection, ALOT of Concepts in the Bible are exactly this way)

This CONCEPT contained a FRIGHTENING element, which was supposed to force a person to make efforts on self-perfection. But, like Jesus Christ, don Juan STRONGLY OPPOSED THIS ATTITUDE TOWARD GOD, WHICH IS FEAR BASED. He said that in order to approach God( THE APPROACH in my belief, would mean to become ONE WITH GOD as I spoke of in my last post also) , one has to take the PATH OF HEART— that is the PATH OF LOVE ( kinda funny I spoke of this also to you in my post earlier just in a little different of a way). It is interesting that don Juan came to this understanding INDEPENDENTLY( this I also touched on, saying all you need is your Inner Light when Awakened, that you dont need Jesus or anyone else to SAVE you, not even a Bible or any other religous Teachings, the only way you need them is if it helps you progress to you full understanding, you are complete in of yourself, God is within all) of the influence of other spiritual traditions. He was not familiar with the Teachings of either Krishna or Jesus Christ, nor has he ever read Sufi or Taoist books. It is obvious that he did not read the New Testament, otherwise he would quote it for sure.

A person resolved to achieve immortality, first has to become a “hunter”. Not a hunter who KILLS game, but that for knowledge, who walks the path of heart — caring, loving both the Earth and beings that live on it.

This last part explains things very simply and in many ways the same way I have spoke of such things, but I would also add it to more than just beings on this earth to all beings and there Souls everywhere.

Even more stuff in this..

This allowed them to start psychoenergetical training not with cleansing and development of the meridians and chakras, but immediately with development of the main power structure of the organism — hara (the lower dantian).

When the work with hara was completed, the next stage followed: the division of the cocoon into two parts: the upper and the lower bubbles of perception. It is from these bubbles that one perceives the tonal and the nagual, respectively.

Division of the cocoon into two bubbles of perception was regarded as an important intermediate step towards further stages of psychoenergetical self-perfection. One had to master concentration of the consciousness in both “poles” of the cocoon divided in such a way.

Then, further work was performed in order to develop the lower bubble of perception. But it was started only after the consciousness had been properly refined, or, as it was called in the don Juan’s School, after cleansing the luminosity of the cocoon.

That is, as in all other advanced spiritual Schools, the techniques aimed at the refinement of the consciousness preceded the large-scale process of its crystallization. However, Castaneda does not describe the methods of “cleansing the luminosity” except the one, which can be viewed only as a joke, namely — inhaling the smoke of a fire.

Thanks to the refinement of the consciousness and the work with the lower bubble of perception, including mastering the state of Nirodhi, the disciples attained the state of Nirvana (though, they did not know this Sanskrit term). First, they mastered the static variation of Nirvana in Brahman, and after this — the dynamic one, when the crystallized consciousness acts in subtle eons. In this state, one can easily touch with the consciousness any being within the Earth or near it, provided one has information about this being.

Once don Juan slapped Castaneda on the back with his hand (he often used this technique to shift the assemblage point, that is the zone of distribution of the disciple’s consciousness) — and Castaneda, prepared for this by preceding exercises, entered the static variation of Nirvana in one of the Brahmanic states. At that moment, he for the first time experienced the state of deep peace, for the first time he perceived God, he perceived that God is Love indeed…

But suddenly he heard the voice of don Juan saying that this state was, though fine, — not that to which he had to aspire now. You have to advance further! Do not think that this is the limit of your abilities… With these words don Juan suggested to Castaneda, who had cognized the supreme bliss of Nirvana, not to “get attached” to this bliss, but to keep on going further… At first, Castaneda felt offended and angry with don Juan, but the latter was unbending: one must advance further!…

And what is further? It is the dynamic aspect of Nirvana when the crystallized consciousness acts in the subtle eons. In this state, one can touch with the consciousness any being within the Earth and around it; in order to do this, one needs just to have information about this being.

The state of Nirodhi, known in all developed Schools of Buddhi Yoga, don Juan described also in endemic terms specific to this School. The disciples were taught that there exist energy waves, which constantly roll on all living creatures and from which we are shielded by our cocoons. And that one can use the power of these waves for transferring oneself with their help into unknown worlds. (These unknown worlds are other spatial dimensions). To make it happen, one has to allow the rolling force to flood the cocoon. Then one turns into “nothing”, one’s “I” dies.

Ive also touched on these in different ways, words not the same but the meaning. This person definitly became one with God Consciousness in the flow from source, to the ocean of consciousness where we are one with all Souls, this is the Light Body also this is where most people understand that God is Love it is that simple, so if you look through the bible and you see anything expressed but Love it is not God but and ET that pretended to be God in our past. All this on this page http://www.swami-center.org/en/text/Juan_Matus.html


Thanks for showing me these Warren these are really good, helps reaffirm many of my own beliefs LOVE AND BLESSINGS

[kb2vxa]

LSD is synthesized from rye ergot mold but the key word here is synthesized. It is one of the most powerful synthetics and longest lasting, cross wires the senses and makes everything unreal just as in Strawberry Fields, not something I would even consider for opening the mind. Just as well Native American shamans take the natural route, tried and true over centuries.

So much for drugs, like you said don Juan had much to say on spirituality and therein lies the core of Casteneda's thesis. I see you took interest, I thought you would as I know it fits you like a glove. It's been so long I have forgotten most of it, I may go back for a 'fresher some day but right now I'm a bit overloaded with other research along those lines. Oh so many books to read and so little time. (;->)

Here's an interesting bit of trivia, Tonto of Lone Ranger fame was Yaqui and they speak an odd mix of Indian and Spanish, not a dialect but almost a separate language with a heavy Spanish influence. Yaqui means here before indicating they're the oldest tribe in the Southwest. Remember his name for the ranger, Kemosabe? Funny how it comes from quien no sabe or in English why (you) no understand? Sorry, you had to follow the show closely to get the inside joke. (;->)

[wingmaker]

Originally Posted by kb2vxa

LSD is synthesized from rye ergot mold but the key word here is synthesized. It is one of the most powerful synthetics and longest lasting, cross wires the senses and makes everything unreal just as in Strawberry Fields, not something I would even consider for opening the mind. Just as well Native American shamans take the natural route, tried and true over centuries.

So much for drugs, like you said don Juan had much to say on spirituality and therein lies the core of Casteneda's thesis. I see you took interest, I thought you would as I know it fits you like a glove. It's been so long I have forgotten most of it, I may go back for a 'fresher some day but right now I'm a bit overloaded with other research along those lines. Oh so many books to read and so little time. (;->)

Here's an interesting bit of trivia, Tonto of Lone Ranger fame was Yaqui and they speak an odd mix of Indian and Spanish, not a dialect but almost a separate language with a heavy Spanish influence. Yaqui means here before indicating they're the oldest tribe in the Southwest. Remember his name for the ranger, Kemosabe? Funny how it comes from quien no sabe or in English why (you) no understand? Sorry, you had to follow the show closely to get the inside joke. (;->)

Yeah for sure synthetic, not good in my opinion, the peyote would more than likely be way better for mind opening, but could still mess you up, but maybe sometime just once wouldnt hurt, if in the right enviroment.

Yes it is very good stuff more people should look at his beliefs, in my opinion they will get you closer to God/ the light within, than the bible ever could. It does fit like a glove, he uses different words, but nonetheless talking of many of the same things, we are just unique individuals from different times expressing the same truths, in different words but that is because it is filtered through unique personalities. The times maybe different but the things we speak of are not, these beliefs are completely relevant to our time now, for certain.

I agree a good refresher by you, and a good look by anyone interested in new understandings would be highly recommended. Im glad you have an open mind, it will serve you and anyone else in these times to have one, because beliefs will be shifting majorly, from now into the future.

Cool my brother, but yeah I didnt see what your talking about LOVE AND BLESSINGS

[kb2vxa]

An open mind is a good thing, as long as it's not so open your brain falls out. Somehow you triggered an ear worm, one of those hip Jazz songs by Edie Brickell (sp?) and the New Bohemians. It just keeps repeating "Philosophy, it's a slippery rocks religion. ... Pull me into shallow water before I get too deep."

Then there's a memorable bit of Bill Cosby from an early stand up comedy album Why Is There Air? That came from a comment about his then future wife, a philosophy major while he was attending Temple University who "walked around asking questions like why is there air?" His answer was "Any Phys Ed major knows there's air to blow up basketballs, footballs, volleyballs..."

Now where did the other guys go? The last was from N1RGR on the first, he was the last bored to sleep.

[K6ARL]

We're here, I just haven't contributed since the beliefs being stated are so incorrect. Further input from me now would not be beneficial at this point. However, it's interesting how much more I learn about each person every time they post, not only their beliefs, but also their way of thinking.
73s
Karl

[wingmaker]

Originally Posted by kb2vxa

An open mind is a good thing, as long as it's not so open your brain falls out. Somehow you triggered an ear worm, one of those hip Jazz songs by Edie Brickell (sp?) and the New Bohemians. It just keeps repeating "Philosophy, it's a slippery rocks religion. ... Pull me into shallow water before I get too deep."

Then there's a memorable bit of Bill Cosby from an early stand up comedy album Why Is There Air? That came from a comment about his then future wife, a philosophy major while he was attending Temple University who "walked around asking questions like why is there air?" His answer was "Any Phys Ed major knows there's air to blow up basketballs, footballs, volleyballs..."

Now where did the other guys go? The last was from N1RGR on the first, he was the last bored to sleep.

Thats funny the Bill Cosby thing, I love that dude. It did seem as though everyone left, but at least K6ARL came back, but he dont want to play no more

Originally Posted by K6ARL

We're here, I just haven't contributed since the beliefs being stated are so incorrect. Further input from me now would not be beneficial at this point. However, it's interesting how much more I learn about each person every time they post, not only their beliefs, but also their way of thinking.
73s
Karl

I would beg to differ, Just because they dont fit your Beliefs, dont make them Incorrect. You wont change our beliefs, but you can express your input its always welcome LOVE AND BLESSINGS Brothers

[kb2vxa]

I'll agree with that, like, who is to say anyone's beliefs are correct or incorrect? Every religion has its own beliefs and Wing sounds a little strange but consider this. They have one thing at the core, love and respect for your fellow Man. Never mind the radicals, they give truly religious people a bad name.

The problem lies in the god aspect, my god can kick your god's butt, mine is the only god and all that. I don't care if you believe in the God of Abraham or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, just respect me and you have mine is all I care.

Karl, you're right across the board. Regardless of the forum, when you read the posts the more you get to know people. The more you get to know them it becomes easier to separate sheep and goats, sheep are a friendly lot and goats... there's a lot to be said about goats.

FYI Hispanics seem to know about goats, one of the greatest insults is to call someone a cabron.

[wingmaker]

Originally Posted by kb2vxa

I'll agree with that, like, who is to say anyone's beliefs are correct or incorrect? Every religion has its own beliefs and Wing sounds a little strange but consider this. They have one thing at the core, love and respect for your fellow Man. Never mind the radicals, they give truly religious people a bad name.

The problem lies in the god aspect, my god can kick your god's butt, mine is the only god and all that. I don't care if you believe in the God of Abraham or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, just respect me and you have mine is all I care.

150% Agree I also would say, any belief that gets you closer to your Creator and our Earth and all things upon it, is GD in my eyes even if some of them dont fit me, but all that really matters is that it fits you and is correct in your eyes, That in and of itself has the power to get you closer to your Creator and that is important LOVE AND BLESSINGS Brothers

[ridgescan]

this is the way it should go

[wingmaker]

Has Anyone Read The Urantia Book, I did a while back, and again recently. I agree with alot of stuff in it, but it is very hierarchel, I do 150% believe that the our universe is structured as such and one of 7. Any Opinion/Thoughts

LOVE AND BLESSINGS

[kb2vxa]

Actually it is 7 of 9.

[wingmaker]

Originally Posted by kb2vxa

Actually it is 7 of 9.

Whatever Floats your boat My Brother, but heres more of my belief in this matter...In My Belief there are 7 "SuperUniverses" within the lowest Field of Vibration of 11 Primary Fields of Vibration, but also each of the 7 SuperUniverses has the 7 Inner Dimensions In reality though there are an Infinite amount of Dimensions and Fields of Vibration LOVE AND BLESSINGS