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Old 12-12-2017, 1:43 PM
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Default Why are Atheists on a RELIGION forum?

If you don't even HAVE a religion, so why would anyone care what you think?

You obviously know nothing about the subject.
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Old 12-13-2017, 12:37 PM
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Exactly. If they are so confident that there is no God, then why are they so upset about it?
Perhaps very deep down they know they are wrong. I won't even try to get in the head of an atheist but that's the only reason that makes sense.
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Old 12-14-2017, 11:16 AM
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Exactly. If they are so confident that there is no God, then why are they so upset about it?
Perhaps very deep down they know they are wrong. I won't even try to get in the head of an atheist but that's the only reason that makes sense.
I believe you're right. But to put a bit of a spin on it, I think that people aren't so opposed to the idea of there being a god but that if there is, then there is someone to whom they are now held accountable. I think that's where the real problem lines.
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If you don't even HAVE a religion, so why would anyone care what you think?

You obviously know nothing about the subject.
Many atheists come from a religious background, and are very knowledgeable about the subject. Belief or lack of should be one's personal business. But when religion gets inserted into what should be secular government, then atheists have as much right to be heard as anyone else.
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I didn't think he was stating that atheists shouldn't have a say in the topic. (though I'm not speaking for the OP), I suspect it was more of a question of curiosity. While far from an atheist myself, I've always wondered why someone who doesn't believe in God would have any interest in the topic or see a reason to waste time with a discussion on the topic. One analogy that comes to mind is that of Santa Claus. I never see the same opposition to the idea of a Santa Claus as I do to that of a God from non-believers in either camp. Santa Claus seems to be a non issue while the topic of God can result in some pretty emotional and sometimes vicious responses.

Mind you, I'm not trying to stir things up. Though I don't agree with your (yes, I'm assuming) assessment that there is no God, I have no trouble respecting it. To be honest, badgering or belittling someone who is a non-believer is counterproductive and just give us believers a bad name.
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While far from an atheist myself, I've always wondered why someone who doesn't believe in God would have any interest in the topic or see a reason to waste time with a discussion on the topic.
That's easy. It's a fascinating subject, and for those with the intellect to discuss diverging points of view, it can be a lot of fun.

One doesn't have to believe in something to find it interesting.

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One analogy that comes to mind is that of Santa Claus. I never see the same opposition to the idea of a Santa Claus as I do to that of a God from non-believers in either camp. Santa Claus seems to be a non issue while the topic of God can result in some pretty emotional and sometimes vicious responses.
Santa Claus isn't invoked in arguments used to deny women access to health services. You don't hear people call out "Santa Akbar!" before opening fire on a Mosque full of people praying. And no one has ever said "Kill 'em all, let Santa sort 'em out.

I think you get my point...

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Mind you, I'm not trying to stir things up. Though I don't agree with your (yes, I'm assuming) assessment that there is no God, I have no trouble respecting it.
Nor do I disrespect your belief in God.

Where I draw the line and bristle is the idea that someone else's belief in God will impact laws that I am subject to.

That offends me, every bit as much as enacting Sharia law would offend a Christian. It's absolutely no different.

As has been previously stated by some smart person somewhere, for a believer, no proof is necessary, for a skeptic, no proof is possible. There is no proof of God's existence, in spite of what religious people will state. Everything that is observed in the universe is understood and explainable with mathematics. Right back to the big bang. Viable and plausible explanations for everything exist without the need for a God to set it in motion. This is why you see so many atheists in academia and the sciences.

Having said all that, my point is, science is true whether or not you believe it. Unlike religions, which frequently are at odds with each other, science doesn't care if you believe. You MUST follow it's laws... period.

Atheists generally believe laws should be based on science, not religion. Otherwise, we don't mind whatever you want to believe.

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To be honest, badgering or belittling someone who is a non-believer is counterproductive and just give us believers a bad name.
It wastes your time, and it annoys the atheist.
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If you don't even HAVE a religion, so why would anyone care what you think?

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Exactly. If they are so confident that there is no God, then why are they so upset about it?
Perhaps very deep down they know they are wrong. I won't even try to get in the head of an atheist but that's the only reason that makes sense.
Frankly, you're both idiots and not worth anyone's precious time.

ZZ has laid out the reasons quite clearly, no need for me to repeat it.
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Nor do I disrespect your belief in God.

Where I draw the line and bristle is the idea that someone else's belief in God will impact laws that I am subject to.

That offends me, every bit as much as enacting Sharia law would offend a Christian. It's absolutely no different.


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What if you took the words "in God" out of your sentence above? What would your opinion be then? Despite our different differing belief in God, I'm sure we still have a good deal in common in what we believe to be right and wrong. Same goes with most people I suspect. I believe that most people have an inherent sense of societal morality (some of it instinctive, some is learned)

If I were to say that something is wrong, many might say "cool, I understand and agree with you" If I said I believed that the same "something is wrong" because God says so, some of those same people who would have agreed with my previous statement, all of a sudden their feathers get ruffled. It isn't necessarily the content but the source that ruffles feathers.
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Frankly, you're both idiots and not worth anyone's precious time.

ZZ has laid out the reasons quite clearly, no need for me to repeat it.
You just invalidate your sides argument because our belief in God by talking that way.
But then again if we're not worth your time, why respond?
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You just invalidate your sides argument because our belief in God by talking that way.
My dog, man - learn yourself some proper English writing skills.
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Not only is the person a sad atheist but also a liberal. Perhaps even an English professor since he or she acts like a snob and the subject wasn't even addressed. When they find they can't win the argument on merit, they knit pick to make themselves feel they accomplished something.
Keep it up please. Liberals get funny when challenged.
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Buddy, you haven't said a single thing worth responding to. Except maybe "knit pick" - why are you dragging knitting into a religion thread?
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But you responded anyway.
Knitting, thread. I like that.
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