Current state of Sacramento System? / Programming Suggestions.

[b52hbuff]

I'm getting my radios ready for the upcoming Capitol Airshow. I have reviewed the 'monster' thread regarding the new regional TRS in Sacramento. I understand that the old City and County sites have been merged into one system.

http://www.radioreference.com/forums...&postcount=562
http://www.radioreference.com/forums...&postcount=584

These two posts raise my curiousity regarding TGID affiliation. The posts imply that LE TGIDs may freely associate and roam between the two systems. The second post implies that the 'services' TGIDs may only affiliate with either county or city sites, depending on the service.

Is this understanding correct?

My final goal is to try and be as memory efficient as possible and cover all of the TGIDs. I am thinking I'll need at least three systems:
City/County Law Enforcement
City/County Fire EMS
City/County Services

...and then with those three, I'll need to double it, since I'll need one for City and County towers...

[sonticus]

[assuming this plan works with your equipment] I set up mine with two systems: 1 with "City towers" and the other with "County towers" each with identical groups for law enforcement, fire, services, etc.

There's one idea...

[antfreq]

Originally Posted by sonticus

[assuming this plan works with your equipment] I set up mine with two systems: 1 with "City towers" and the other with "County towers" each with identical groups for law enforcement, fire, services, etc.

There's one idea...

I have a very similar set up on my Uniden BC396T.
Mine is set up to monitor a wide range of TGID or narrowed down to Dept/Agency.

Systems ( bank, if you use RS scanner )
Site 001 - Law (all area law on the TRS)
Site 001 - Fire (sac regional fire)
Site 001 - SSD sac sheriff only
Site 001 - SPD sac police only

Site 002 - Law (all area law on the TRS)
Site 002 - Fire (sac regional fire)
Site 002 - SSD sac sheriff only
Site 002 - SPD sac police only

Site 001 and Site 002 have identical TGID setup for each system (bank).
I just lock and unlock each system (bank) as desired. If I want to hear
SSD only, then I unlock Site 001 SSD and Site 002 SSD, while the others remain
locked out. I have found that is the best way to not mis any radio traffic.

Each user of the TRS has a "base" site that they affiliate with and most often stay with that base site. SSD pretty much stays on Site 002, occassionally you'll hear some traffic on Site 001, but then again, it usually will be simulcast on both Site 001 and Site 002 at that point.

It does end up adding quite a few Systems(banks) to your setup, but I've found it easy to manipulate. Sheesh, I've got so many Sac TRS Systems (banks) programmed into my scanner it covers EVERY used TGID in the entire TRS network.

[gmclam]

I have both sites programmed into single banks of my scanners. I always program all the frequencies, not just the control channels. Then I separate the two sites with the car to car frequencies. I have the sub groups organized by city PD, outer agencies, county sheriff, and all fire depts. I do not listen to RT, public works or the school IDs, and this keeps my talkgroup count at or below 150.

[mkewman]

Originally Posted by antfreq

I have a very similar set up on my Uniden BC396T.
Mine is set up to monitor a wide range of TGID or narrowed down to Dept/Agency.

Systems ( bank, if you use RS scanner )
Site 001 - Law (all area law on the TRS)
Site 001 - Fire (sac regional fire)
Site 001 - SSD sac sheriff only
Site 001 - SPD sac police only

Site 002 - Law (all area law on the TRS)
Site 002 - Fire (sac regional fire)
Site 002 - SSD sac sheriff only
Site 002 - SPD sac police only

Site 001 and Site 002 have identical TGID setup for each system (bank).
I just lock and unlock each system (bank) as desired. If I want to hear
SSD only, then I unlock Site 001 SSD and Site 002 SSD, while the others remain
locked out. I have found that is the best way to not mis any radio traffic.

Each user of the TRS has a "base" site that they affiliate with and most often stay with that base site. SSD pretty much stays on Site 002, occassionally you'll hear some traffic on Site 001, but then again, it usually will be simulcast on both Site 001 and Site 002 at that point.

It does end up adding quite a few Systems(banks) to your setup, but I've found it easy to manipulate. Sheesh, I've got so many Sac TRS Systems (banks) programmed into my scanner it covers EVERY used TGID in the entire TRS network.

whatta geek

note that some ssd tgids are not repeated on the city site (site 1) and some spd tgids are not repeated on the county site (site 2) same goes for fire and services.

keep a good lookout for new tgids, i've heard some radio testing on at least one new tgid.

keep your ears to the ground, or towers... whatever. im tired.

[antfreq]

x-posted in http://radioreference.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61883

But will help when programming Sac TRS.

Okay - For those who are still having problems monitoring Fire B6 or Fire A2 and A3.

Since there is a patch, the TRS behaves differently. Some of you have had problems monitoring Fire B6 TGID 47664, even though you have it programmed into Site 001 and Site 002. If you have a BC396T and still have problems, I think I have solved your problem.

1. press FUNC
2. select PROGRAM SYSTEM
3. select the System that contains Fire B6
4. select EDIT SYS OPTIONS
5. select SET STATUS BIT
6. select IGNORE

I suggest doing this to all your Systems for the Sacramento TRS.

This link here will explain the status bit issue.
http://wiki.radioreference.com/index...torola_Type_II

[b52hbuff]

Originally Posted by mkewman

note that some ssd tgids are not repeated on the city site (site 1) and some spd tgids are not repeated on the county site (site 2) same goes for fire and services.

keep a good lookout for new tgids, i've heard some radio testing on at least one new tgid.

keep your ears to the ground, or towers... whatever. im tired.

Your comment gets to what I'm really asking... Does anyone have a good list of the TGIDs that are specific to a site and do not roam or are not repeated between sites?

Thanks...

[antfreq]

Originally Posted by b52hbuff

Your comment gets to what I'm really asking... Does anyone have a good list of the TGIDs that are specific to a site and do not roam or are not repeated between sites?

Thanks...

I believe it's just the primary dispatch channels that roam from Site to Site, seems to be the case for SSD Channels 1 - 4

[mkewman]

thats what i've noticed. tacs and special ops (investigators, narcs, etc) are site spacific, although *sometimes* they are patched when a ssd unit assists in a city operation and vice versa.

[RolnCode3]

The fleetmap shows quite clearly which talkgroups are allowed to be broadcast on both sites, site 1, or just site 2.

These can be on both Site 1 and 2:
CHPD, Citrus Heights Mutual Aid, , Park Rangers, Telecom, Probation, Coroner, EGPD, Fire B C D and T, Downtown Stationary Engineers, Security (some County security guys I guess), Folsom PD, Folsom Mutual Aid, Grant USD, Los Rios, RT Police, Sac PD, SSD, West Sac PD & Fire.

Almost everybody else is a product of who they work for:
Sac City departments are only the City site
Sac County and all other cities are the County site

Surprisingly, the COTAC and CYTAC tg's are limited to one site. I would expect them to be able to be broadcast on both sites.

[b52hbuff]

Originally Posted by RolnCode3

The fleetmap shows quite clearly which talkgroups are allowed to be broadcast on both sites, site 1, or just site 2.

These can be on both Site 1 and 2:
CHPD, Citrus Heights Mutual Aid, , Park Rangers, Telecom, Probation, Coroner, EGPD, Fire B C D and T, Downtown Stationary Engineers, Security (some County security guys I guess), Folsom PD, Folsom Mutual Aid, Grant USD, Los Rios, RT Police, Sac PD, SSD, West Sac PD & Fire.

Almost everybody else is a product of who they work for:
Sac City departments are only the City site
Sac County and all other cities are the County site

Surprisingly, the COTAC and CYTAC tg's are limited to one site. I would expect them to be able to be broadcast on both sites.

Thanks, now how about these groups? I'll make my best guest and you can correct...

Airport Talkgroups / County?
Aviation / County?
Caltrans / County?
FSP / County?
Hospital / County?

[RolnCode3]

Originally Posted by b52hbuff

Thanks, now how about these groups? I'll make my best guest and you can correct...

Airport Talkgroups / County?
Aviation / County?
Caltrans / County?
FSP / County?
Hospital / County?

FSP is the only talkgroup on that list that can be on both sites. All of the others are County only. In fact, the FSP Supervisor talkgroup is County only.

[b52hbuff]

Originally Posted by RolnCode3

FSP is the only talkgroup on that list that can be on both sites. All of the others are County only. In fact, the FSP Supervisor talkgroup is County only.

Thanks a bunch. I'm importing the TGIDs into a Excel sheet. I'll make the labels and you can comment.

So I wonder what is the best way to represent this sort of data in the database?

It seems almost as if the system really isn't as 'Regional' as you might think. It's basically two separate systems with roaming ability for just the Lew Enforcement groups...

[RolnCode3]

Originally Posted by b52hbuff

Thanks a bunch. I'm importing the TGIDs into a Excel sheet. I'll make the labels and you can comment.

So I wonder what is the best way to represent this sort of data in the database?

Sounds good.

In the fleet map it just says:

City
County
City & County

and has a little 'x' next to each talkgroup for which one applies. It's all listed on a spreadsheet so it's pretty easy to follow.

[b52hbuff]

http://www.radioreference.com/module...me=RR&sid=4499

Ok, a couple of questions on the Los Rios TGIDs. First, it seems like there is an analog and a digital set. Is the digital for future use? Or are they using digital and already migrated away from the analog TGIDs?

Also according to RolnCode3's very informative post... The Los Rios can appear on both site 1 and site 2. Does this apply to _all_ Los Rios TGIDs? Or only the Los Rios PD TGIDs? (And then the non-PD) are on the city system? (I'm guessing, since it looks like LRCC is within city limits of Sacramento)...

[RolnCode3]

Originally Posted by b52hbuff

http://www.radioreference.com/module...me=RR&sid=4499

Ok, a couple of questions on the Los Rios TGIDs. First, it seems like there is an analog and a digital set. Is the digital for future use? Or are they using digital and already migrated away from the analog TGIDs?

Also according to RolnCode3's very informative post... The Los Rios can appear on both site 1 and site 2. Does this apply to _all_ Los Rios TGIDs? Or only the Los Rios PD TGIDs? (And then the non-PD) are on the city system? (I'm guessing, since it looks like LRCC is within city limits of Sacramento)...

I show all of the Los Rios talkgroups (total of 10) being both Site 1 and Site 2.

[74596]

Originally Posted by b52hbuff

First, it seems like there is an analog and a digital set. Is the digital for future use? Or are they using digital and already migrated away from the analog TGIDs?

I always hear radio traffic on "LOS RIOS PD 1" (ch. 7280) and it's always digital.
Not sure if they are still using the analog TGIDs or not...

[antfreq]

Originally Posted by RolnCode3

I show all of the Los Rios talkgroups (total of 10) being both Site 1 and Site 2.

The is a lot of digital encrypted radio traffic on TGID 7280 and 7312. There is also a lot of standard digital traffic on their other channels.

I have heard a lot of traffic on both sites, so much traffic at times that I have them locked out.

[mkewman]

since when are they encrypted?

[antfreq]

Originally Posted by mkewman

since when are they encrypted?

Unless my 396T is wonky - I receive P25 ENC traffic on TGID# 7280 quite often.