SDSO Rural Dispatch Gone Quiet?

[Rekd]

I can hear Poway also and I heard the welfare check. This isn't the same group that is usually on Rural Dispatch, just like last month.

A little bit ago the Poway group asked if any other units were having a hard time hearing the Ramona units so it sounds like it's not just me.

[JoeyC]

They just dispatched a call in Borrego Springs also. What other rural channel are you talking about?

[inigo88]

Allright, I think Rekd is really confusing himself, so let me try and clear it up...

People you will hear on Rural Dispatch (RURD - talkgroup 34560):
(Callsigns start with these prefix numbers)

80 - Pauma, Valley Center
82 - Borrego, Julian, Warner
84 - Pine Valley
86 - Campo, Tecate

People you will hear on Poway Dispatch (POWD - talkgroup 34544):

40 - Unincorporated Poway
41 - City of Poway
44 - Ramona
45 - Harbison Canyon

Ramona units are dispatched on Poway Dispatch (POWD), and are not a good indicator of whether or not you are hearing Rural traffic...
According to the scannerstuff Socal frequency directory, Rural dispatch covers the sheriff sub-stations in Alpine, Borrego, Boulevard/Jacumba, Campo, Dulzura, Julian, and Warner Springs. (Pauma/Valley Center is listed as well but I believe they're dispatched on SMCD (92 units).)

Like Don said, if you're not hearing a specific talkgroup for a long period of time, chances are none of the radios on that talkgroup are affiliated to the zone you're listening from. Are you listening to the North Simulcast Zone (control ch is almost always 863.15)? If so, chances are everyone in Rural was on the East Simulcast Zone during that time (control ch 868.925). You also have to consider that these are very small towns, a lot of which are served by resident deputies, and there simply isn't a lot of radio traffic for them. Combine that with the fact that units can log on and off, update their status and receive lower priority calls all on their MDTs, and they may just not be talking very much.

Originally Posted by Rekd

This isn't the same group that is usually on Rural Dispatch, just like last month.

When you say group, are you talking about the voices you're hearing or are you keeping track of the deputy's unit IDs? There are hundreds of deputies who work these areas, and staffing is bound to fluctuate depending on shifts, time off and reassignments. The only sure fire way to tell if you're hearing them is based on the numerical unit IDs I explained above. A lot of us also have software that decodes the system's control channel (Unitrunker), and we can simply switch it on, check what talkgroups are patched to what, and turn it back off.

More often than not, when I switch this software on it shows Poway and Rural patched together, especially during the evenings. During the day when they aren't patched, I often don't hear Rural at all because none of the users of that channel are affiliated to the North Zone site (they are on the East Zone, which I can't receive very well from my location).

[inigo88]

Well that didn't take long... I had the scanner on for five minutes and heard 86 Paul 3 and 86 Paul 5 on a traffic stop in Campo on Poway Dispatch (POWD), talkgroup 34544. Therefore POWD and RURD are currently patched (just heard a 71 unit as well, so they're currently also patched with IMBD).

[Rekd]

Originally Posted by inigo88

Allright, I think Rekd is really confusing himself, so let me try and clear it up...

People you will hear on Rural Dispatch (RURD - talkgroup 34560):
(Callsigns start with these prefix numbers)

80 - Pauma, Valley Center
82 - Borrego, Julian, Warner
84 - Pine Valley
86 - Campo, Tecate

People you will hear on Poway Dispatch (POWD - talkgroup 34544):

40 - Unincorporated Poway
41 - City of Poway
44 - Ramona
45 - Harbison Canyon

Ramona units are dispatched on Poway Dispatch (POWD), and are not a good indicator of whether or not you are hearing Rural traffic...
According to the scannerstuff Socal frequency directory, Rural dispatch covers the sheriff sub-stations in Alpine, Borrego, Boulevard/Jacumba, Campo, Dulzura, Julian, and Warner Springs. (Pauma/Valley Center is listed as well but I believe they're dispatched on SMCD (92 units).)

Like Don said, if you're not hearing a specific talkgroup for a long period of time, chances are none of the radios on that talkgroup are affiliated to the zone you're listening from. Are you listening to the North Simulcast Zone (control ch is almost always 863.15)? If so, chances are everyone in Rural was on the East Simulcast Zone during that time (control ch 868.925). You also have to consider that these are very small towns, a lot of which are served by resident deputies, and there simply isn't a lot of radio traffic for them. Combine that with the fact that units can log on and off, update their status and receive lower priority calls all on their MDTs, and they may just not be talking very much.



When you say group, are you talking about the voices you're hearing or are you keeping track of the deputy's unit IDs? There are hundreds of deputies who work these areas, and staffing is bound to fluctuate depending on shifts, time off and reassignments. The only sure fire way to tell if you're hearing them is based on the numerical unit IDs I explained above. A lot of us also have software that decodes the system's control channel (Unitrunker), and we can simply switch it on, check what talkgroups are patched to what, and turn it back off.

More often than not, when I switch this software on it shows Poway and Rural patched together, especially during the evenings. During the day when they aren't patched, I often don't hear Rural at all because none of the users of that channel are affiliated to the North Zone site (they are on the East Zone, which I can't receive very well from my location).

Thanks for going into detail. I'll go over it and see if I am as stoopid as I appear. My kid's old scout master is a deputy out of the Ramona sub station so I'll ask him what his unit ID is and see if that's being used on Poway's group.

[WayneH]

Originally Posted by inigo88

Joey beat me to it. When Poway and Rural are patched, you will either hear them both on the Poway talkgroup or both on the Rural talkgroup. Keep an eye out for "Ptch" in the top left corner of your screen... This is to alert you that the talkgroup is patched.

I think this deserves a reminder.

You can't always rely on the scanner to follow a patch even when it supports them. The announcements on the Control Channel have some delay between when they're sent out so if you're doing more than just monitoring one site there's good chance you'll miss the announcements and the scanner will not know that RURD is patched to POWD and to listen to POWD for that RURD's audio.

[K6CDO]

Originally Posted by Rekd

SDSO Rural Dispatch has gone quiet again. Been at least 3 days since I've heard them, WTF!?

Does anyone else who listens specifically to this still hear them?

Nothing has changed, except the weather. Trees are wet (800 MHz signals are absorbed by wet Pine and other trees); high elevation transmit sites are iced up (more absorption). The East Simulcast cell strength is 75-80% of normal at my location in Clairemont.

Rural dispatch is still patched with Poway dispatch.

[inigo88]

Originally Posted by Rekd

Thanks for going into detail. I'll go over it and see if I am as stoopid as I appear. My kid's old scout master is a deputy out of the Ramona sub station so I'll ask him what his unit ID is and see if that's being used on Poway's group.

Not accusing anyone of being 'stoopid,' but there's more to this issue than there appears. If you are interested in monitoring your friend in Ramona, he will be on Poway Dispatch (POWD), because even though Ramona may be considered in a rural area of the county SDSO still decided to put them on the Poway channel.

If you noticed a pattern in the unit IDs, all the prefixes in the 40s are normally on POWD (including Ramona, 44), and all rural prefixes that would normally be on RURD are in the 80s. If the two channels are patched, you will hear 40s AND 80s on the same talkgroup, and they will both either be on POWD or RURD (one will be active the other will be silent). This is because the system puts all patched talkgroups on one "supergroup" (normally POWD I've noticed), and any radio on the other patched groups will automatically redirect to that "supergroup."

So tonight when I was monitoring POWD and I heard a 44 unit, an 86 unit and a 71 unit, I could tell from the unit IDs that Poway was patched with Rural and Imperial Beach and POWD was the "supergroup" (meaning that anyone on RURD or IMBD would automatically be redirected to the POWD group without even knowing it). I know this is kind of convoluted stuff, but I hope that helps.

[Anderegg]

I am hearing Poway and Rural now as well, on both talkgroups......

Paul

[K6CDO]

Basic SDSD Station numbering:

20 = Encinitas Station

30 = Vista Station
32 = Fallbrook Substation

40 = Poway Station
42 = 4S Ranch Substation
44 = Ramona Substation

50 = Santee Station
52 = Alpine Substation

60 = Lemon Grove Station

70 = Imperial Beach Station

80 = Rural

90 = San Marcos Station
92 = Valley Center Substation

Dispatch / Tacs are by Station grouping (ENCD & TAC20 for Encinitas, VTAD & TAC30 for Vista and Fallbrook, etc.).

Hope this helps.

[scottyhetzel]

Originally Posted by rdale

What new digital Unidens cost $200?

Bc15x brutha

[JoeyC]

Originally Posted by scottyhetzel

Bc15x brutha

The BC15x is not a digital scanner and thus you cannot monitor SDSO with it.

[svtyone]

Originally Posted by Anderegg

996T scanners are selling for $200-250 average on eBay.

Paul

i have to say if you find a 396t or the 996t for 200-250 i would be surprised. At least in san diego area. I broke my pro-96 and had to find a new apco 25 scanner. Well after looking for two months i found one under 300 and it just so happened to be a 396xt but it was i phoenix ariz. i picked it up for 150.00 but with another hundred dollars in gas soooo. other than that the onlyother one i could find was a gre-500 for 300 so finding one for 200-250 is very dificult and have it be newer even my 796d sells for more than 250 and thats over 10 years old

[Anderegg]

At the time that was written, that was the "sold completed listing" range the radios were in........of course, eBay list the past few whatever, so it's not like they were all selling for that at the same time. I also saw a 996XT going for like $1500....haha.

Paul

[svtyone]

1500 is def a little over kill. i imagine that was near the time they came out and were over 600. with taxes. just like some yahoo selling the 345xt for 250 when you can go to frys and get a brand new one for 198.00. and its not even digital. they say in the add that they have the sherriffs and county rcs programmed in. i feel sorry for the sucker that buys that before researching lol.

[svtyone]

alright well the sdso rural disp seems to be only on the rcs east disp. i dont have north zone programmed in but i am hearing disp 80 from the rcs east in el cajon. not on the south though. seems like with the coverage area it wouldnt be a waste of space to simulcast the rural disp to all zones. especially with the low call volume. the one i hardly hear is the off road response team they must be on the north zone as well i used to get them every once in a while on the south zone but no more. maybe during the winter desert season.

[svtyone]

this was wierd. so im listening to a rural disp. rcs east and tg 34560. then the display says dispatch 40 but tg was still 34560? they poway and rural arnt using the same tg are they or is that the patch playing its games?

[K6CDO]

As a matter of policy, Rural and Poway dispatches are patched.
What TG is shown depends on how the patch was established.
Rural operates in the East cells.
Poway operates in the North cell.