Win500/Pro106 TSYS confusion

[NW0U]

I am sure that the answer to this simple question is embedded somewhere on RR but I can't come up with the right vocabulary to find it.

I'm struggling to understand the differences and uses of the All Objects tab vs the TSYS Objects tab.

Corrected confusion description:
What I expected is that if I could edit the numbers in the Scan Lists field on a talkgroup in All Objects that when I go to TSYS Objects that this object would show up under the numbered TSYS with the same talkgroup info and the same edited numbers showing that I'd put in under All Objects. In other words, editing in one place is reflected in the other.

No editing in the scan lists field in All Objects tab. It seems these items are a reflection of what objects are under each TSYS. However, a single talkgroup edited to show membership in multiple scan lists only shows in the TSYS where it was placed. Editing the membership in scan list 1 to show membership in scanlist 1 thru 20 does not mean that this same object will appear elsewhere. It will appear in All Objects list - once.
If this item is copied to another scan list so that it will operate with that scan list, All Objects will now list the item a second time with another object ID.



So I'm missing the point. What's the point of All Objects if I have to copy and paste all the desired talkgroups to each scan list? Near as I can tell from my efforts so far is that all the numbering does is tell the copy-and-paste monkey what to collect. This has to be wrong.

WHAT AM I MISSING??????

[fmon]

T=TrunkSYS. These should have mapped Talkgroup Objects in Scanlist.
All Objects are any object entered.

[NW0U]

Originally Posted by fmon

T=TrunkSYS. These should have mapped Talkgroup Objects in Scanlist.
All Objects are any object entered.

I understand that we're talking trunked systems.
(I've learned my Pro-96 and 2096 real well over the last 2 years. I can do it all either with Win96 or from the front panel.)

What I'm doing is creating geographical scan lists so as to get mostly the same talkgroups from a different selection of towers as I drive to/from work.

So one scanlist contains a different set of towers than another.

But if I want to hear the same talkgroups in each scan list then the copy&paste monkey has to put them in both? So what meaning does the scan list field have when it's pasted in two places and the same talkgroup now has two different object IDs when viewed in All Objects?

In that setup if I were to ignore the All Objects tab I'd be managing things very nearly the same as in my Pro-96. Doesn't seem right to me.

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[fmon]

What is copy paste monkey? You've mentioned it twice. Are you using software?

If you've read the OM, you may place multi towers for Mot or P25 systems (up to 32 controls/system).Then map the talkgroups according to the system. You can map Fire groups to one list and Law to another or combine both in a single list.

[NW0U]

Originally Posted by fmon

What is copy paste monkey? You've mentioned it twice. Are you using software?

If you've read the OM, you may place multi towers for Mot or P25 systems (up to 32 controls/system).Then map the talkgroups according to the system. You can map Fire groups to one list and Law to another or combine both in a single list.

I'm the copy&paste monkey. I'm using Win500 (as in the title of the thread)

I have the same extensive list of talkgroups in 3 scanlists. So I copy & paste from one to the other without understanding (that's the monkey part) why there are scanlist fields or what the All Objects list is used for.

My Pro-96 and 2096 are nearly maxed out with tgids and I'm trying to make my 106 work as nearly identically to my 96 as I can in terms of enable/disable banks/scanlists.

Altering the scan list fields on a couple of hundred talkgroups w/o knowing it's the right thing to do is monkey work.

[rickak]

Originally Posted by NW0U

WHAT AM I MISSING??????

You may be missing that you cannot have the same TGRP object in multiple TSYS objects. I remember when I first got this scanner I had the same confusion.

I'm confused when you say you are editing scanlists in the all objects tab. You cannot edit scanlists in that tab, the list with all the checkboxes next to them on the right of the All objects screen just selects what objects you see on the left. In other words, if you have scanlist 1 selected on the right, you would see all the objects associated with that scanlist on the left. You need to edit what is assigned to what scanlists on the CONV objects and TSYS objects tabs.

Unfortunately, if you want to assign talkgroups to individual sites in this scanner, you will have to cut and paste them. The same cut and paste monkey that was needed with the pro96 is needed here.

I dont do this however. I use the multisite features to either scan or roam with multiple sites on the same TSYS obects. This way, I have all the talkgroups in our state system in the scanner.

Hope this helps,

Rick

[fmon]

96, disable via bank numbers per system.
106, disable via scanlist number per system/groopings or however one needs. You can even list TGObjects in several scanlist.

The All Groups is a list for analyzing everything entered but is not used for changing scanlist. Do scanlist via each TSYS or ConvObjects.

I assume you imported data (sucked from PC/IF Port) or transferred from a Win96 file to get started. My choice for building files is Web Import, but have used Win96 files or sucked from PC/IF port.

My wish for Win500 is the ability to have two or more tabs of files and use the copy TSYS & its associated Scanlist to a second tabs file. This is a great feature (copy bank) in Win96.

BTW, the object ID numbers on left side are used by the scanner for keeping track of memory and what should be indicated in display during coms.

[DonS]

Originally Posted by fmon

My wish for Win500 is the ability to have two or more tabs of files and use the copy TSYS & its associated Scanlist to a second tabs file. This is a great feature (copy bank) in Win96.

I do that in Win500 like this:
* Open two files
* In file A, click on the TSYS object to copy and press CTRL-C
* In file B, click in the TSYS grid and press CTRL-V (that copies the TSYS over)
* In file A, click in the TGRP grid and press CTRL-A then CTRL-C
* In file B, click in the TGRP grid and press CTRL-V

I copy "scan lists" of CONV objects in much the same way, but filter the CONV objects in the source file (file A above) by scan list using the drop-down list box above the CONV object grid.

[NW0U]

Originally Posted by rickak

You may be missing that you cannot have the same TGRP object in multiple TSYS objects. I remember when I first got this scanner I had the same confusion.


Rick

That's pretty much the cause of my head->wall banging. Once I replicated the tgrp objects to each scan list and set the scan list membership to each single scan list things got better.

This monkey doesn't understand how to efficiently use the scan list map for talkgroups now but.... it's ok.
I comprehend it for conv just not for tgs.

I'm trying to set it up to efficiently see the same talkgroups in different scan lists. I have different TSYS set for each scanlist because the towers change but the tgrps of interest mostly don't. (Commuting 50 miles- listening to State Patrol and snow plows as the common things across the area) Duplicating the same tgs in each tsys seems redundant. But it works.


I've received very patient expert help via PM from abqscanl.
Scanlist also posted a comprehensive file in the Colorado forum that I'll use for study.

This scanner is really DIFFERENT! It'll probably be wonderful eventually but for now I'm like a monkey who was used to typewriters trying to tackle MS Word.

Thanks for your suggestions all.

[DonS]

Originally Posted by NW0U

I'm trying to set it up to efficiently see the same talkgroups in different scan lists. I have different TSYS set for each scanlist because the towers change but the tgrps of interest mostly don't. (Commuting 50 miles- listening to State Patrol and snow plows as the common things across the area) Duplicating the same tgs in each tsys seems redundant. But it works.

Presuming you have 32 or fewer control channels for all the desired towers in that one TSYS, a more efficient method would be:
1. Create one TSYS with all the control channels
2. Set the TSYS to "Multi-Site = ROAM"
3. Enter the desired TGRPs for that TSYS, and only enter each TGRP once
4. Assign each TGRP to one or more scan lists, depending on how you want to turn groups of TGRPs on/off

[NW0U]

Originally Posted by DonS

Presuming you have 32 or fewer control channels for all the desired towers in that one TSYS, a more efficient method would be:
1. Create one TSYS with all the control channels
2. Set the TSYS to "Multi-Site = ROAM"
3. Enter the desired TGRPs for that TSYS, and only enter each TGRP once
4. Assign each TGRP to one or more scan lists, depending on how you want to turn groups of TGRPs on/off

I'll give that approach a test run.
Our system isn't exactly multi-cast because different towers carry non-identical traffic so sometimes to catch the right stuff the scanner has to check all the control channels. I learned this by trying Roam in an early learning experience and found my 106 right next to a 96 wouldn't catch all the transmissions until I set it to Stationary.

But if I can pick a few wide-area towers put the critical TGs on them and see whether I get what I need. The Roam feature seems like a good thing if it works the way I hope.

Thanks for your software and your support Don. Makes life with these scanners more fun!
(even with my bruised and bloodied forehead with the brick dust)

[fmon]

Originally Posted by DonS

I do that in Win500 like this:
* Open two files
* In file A, click on the TSYS object to copy and press CTRL-C
* In file B, click in the TSYS grid and press CTRL-V (that copies the TSYS over)
* In file A, click in the TGRP grid and press CTRL-A then CTRL-C
* In file B, click in the TGRP grid and press CTRL-V

I copy "scan lists" of CONV objects in much the same way, but filter the CONV objects in the source file (file A above) by scan list using the drop-down list box above the CONV object grid.

Not quite as good as Win96 but works very well. Thanks for all of your great software.

[ind224]

I have a TSYS in scanlist 1 with several TG . I have the same TSYS set up in scanlist 10 but want to have only 5 TG from the TSYS. Tried to copy and paste TG's from list 1 to list 10 but can't do it. They are alphabetical so all 5 are in a block. Made 5 new items at end thinking having just one wildcard is why it would not work. Still no go. Trying a single TG at a time, no go.
I'm highlighting the row with the ID TG Alpha Tag etc copy and try to past in the new location. Making sure my new items are appearing in the default scanlist.....
As usual I'm probably not seeing the hidden setting that allows copy and paste. I control c control v all day at work and can't believe this cannot be done the way I'm trying to do it.

[fmon]

Ind224

Remove TSYS for scanlist 10 keeping one TSYS only. Then highlight the 5 TGID's and select scanlist 10 box as in this image. You can unselect scanlist 1 if desired for these 5 ID's.

Then toggle button 1 and 0 (or both) to scan desired scanlist ID's