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Shortwave Data Decoding Discussions regarding decoding digital signals on the HF bands, including HFDL, ALE, RTTY, CW, and others.

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Old 11-24-2012, 9:44 PM
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Default how to figure out which digital mode?

I recently got a SDR (the afedri-sdr-net)

using it with the SDR-RADIO software, I have been able to find LOTS of digital transmissions (for example on 24.870.700)


BUT...I have no idea what modes they are in! Sdr-Radio will even try to decode modes but there are a ton of options in the drop down menus.


So...what I am wondering is if there is any software that can either analyze an IRq file or if there is some other way to tell.

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Old 11-25-2012, 6:51 AM
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See this links in this sticky...

http://forums.radioreference.com/dig...ify-modes.html

Many folks will take a look at the waveform and try to determine the mode from that. Obviously it takes some study, since there are so many different modes out there, but it's a good place to start. I don't know if you can display waveforms using SDR software, though.

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Practice, practice, practice.

Many modes can be identified by ear. Of course, the problem is you have to know what they sound like to ID them by ear. Audio recordings can help you to learn what some modes sound like. The recordings linked in the MultiPSK thread are great, but mostly only covers things to be found on the ham bands.

Analysis by ear can only tell you so much, and is prone to error with some modes. So tools are also good to have in the collection. Programs such as Spectrogram, SpectrumLab, Argo, Audacity, etc, will help you take apart and “see” the waveforms features.

There are specific analysis tools that are designed for taking these signals apart, decoding (as long as not encrypted), and even automatically identifying them. For the most part these tools are not free and some are very expensive for the average hobbyist. Such tools include Hoka Code300, Krypto500, Sorcerer, etc. The first 2 cost thousands of dollars US per copy, Sorcerer can be found on the web for free although I am not sure the legal status of such copies.

There are a few web pages with examples of digital signals on them, both audio and images of the waveforms:
HFAsia
Digital*Modes*Samples
Digital Mode Samples » K3DCW - Amateur Radio - Real radio bounces off the sky (mostly ham)
Sound samples examples digi modes (mostly ham, but a few others)
http://signals.taunus.de/

The first and last are the best resources I have found. The last one listed does have some pretty heavy anti-lurker features to it, and you may have to email the owner to be allowed access to the web site. The data there is worth seeing.

Don’t forget that YouTube can be your friend to ID some SW transmissions. Although it can be tough to sort out the wheat from the chaff there are lots of good recordings of modes on YT. I am trying to expand the digital examples on my YT channel, although right now the digital modes are secondary in my postings, numbers, oddities, and pirates are primary. My channel here: FirstToken's channel - YouTube

If utilities is a thing you are really interested (Utilities, or Utes, are pretty much any SW transmission that is not Ham or Broadcast) you might look into the #wunclub chat room. The #wunclub channel can be accessed via Java Web chat at JavaChat . If you have or use an IRC client it is on the Starchat sever.

The #wunclub is a very long running gathering location for Utility monitors, it has been active in one form or another for many years. It is a site/community where you can throw a frequency into the chat and get other peoples opinions as to what the signal is, and possibly its general location based on who has it strong, weak, and not at all. Several of the users have been doing this for many years, some professionally or have done such work professionally in the past. There is also a logbot that can be used to look up past reportings, and add your new intercepts.

This is a place you can ask in real time “what is that digital mode on XXXXX kHz” and possibly get an answer. Learning the modes as you go.

Keep in mind that if you do go in there and no one answers your question, despite there being a couple dozen names in the room, it does not mean anyone is ignoring you. Many of us stay logged into the room 24 hours a day, to grab any frequencies thrown into the chat when we are not present. Some users are active in the European morning and afternoon slots, some in the US morning and afternoon, and others in the Pacific time slots, so you might be there when everyone else is off at work/dinner/sleeping, etc. If no one responds either stay in the room or come back in a few hours and try again, you will eventually figure out who is active when.

Because there are some pretty inane conspiracy types who come into that room from time to time (generally in a surge for a day or two after some web blog or article is posted that list the site and its activities) some of the people in the rooms initial responses to new users can seem a bit caustic, particularly if the new person comes in with some obvious newb or inciting name (example, with the default “Guest” name of the Java client). If you choose to visit the #wunclub come on in, introduce yourself, and ask questions.

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using it with the SDR-RADIO software, I have been able to find LOTS of digital transmissions (for example on 24.870.700)
A couple quick comments here.

By convention HF frequencies are most often reported in kHz to online forums. In this case your reported frequency would be, I assume as there is no units indicator, 24870.7 kHz.

You did not mention times or dates but if you do they are typically reported in UTC/GMT, not local time.

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Just a quick note - with the exception of the taurus site, I have all of those - and more - in the wiki article I mentioned in the sticky.

And I would second the use of the UDXF Yahoo group (the link for which is at the bottom of the wiki article) and the #wunclub chat. You're likely to learn a great deal from some of those folks that have been doing this a long time. With so many folks across the globe, someone is likely to know what digital mode you are hearing.

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even i hang out on the #wunclub chat, thats where I learn a great deal from
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