State Police and DEC going p25?

Darkstar350 · Oct 20, 2014

I noticed that State Police as well as the DEC have some frequencies licensed for 8K10F1E which if I am not mistaken is the emission for P25

whats interesting is the channels in question are licensed for standard voice(20K0F1E and 11K3F1E) as well
but is it safe to say that both agencies will transition fully to P25?

Licenses are here ULS License - Public Safety Pool, Conventional License - KA6004 - STATE OF NEW YORK DIVISION OF STATE POLICE - Frequencies Summary for State Police and here ULS License - Public Safety Pool, Conventional License - KH4607 - New York State Department of Environmental Conservation Office For Public Protection - Frequencies Summary for DEC

The DEC also has pending licenses ULS Application - Public Safety Pool, Conventional - 0006368781 - New York State Department of Environmental Conservation Office For Public Protection - Transaction Log ULS Application - Public Safety Pool, Conventional - 0006368754 - New York State Department of Environmental Conservation Office For Public Protection - Transaction Log

SteveC0625 · Oct 20, 2014

Darkstar350 said:
I noticed that State Police as well as the DEC have some frequencies licensed for 8K10F1E which if I am not mistaken is the emission for P25

whats interesting is the channels in question are licensed for standard voice(20K0F1E and 11K3F1E) as well
but is it safe to say that both agencies will transition fully to P25?

Licenses are here ULS License - Public Safety Pool, Conventional License - KA6004 - STATE OF NEW YORK DIVISION OF STATE POLICE - Frequencies Summary for State Police and here ULS License - Public Safety Pool, Conventional License - KH4607 - New York State Department of Environmental Conservation Office For Public Protection - Frequencies Summary for DEC

The DEC also has pending licenses ULS Application - Public Safety Pool, Conventional - 0006368781 - New York State Department of Environmental Conservation Office For Public Protection - Transaction Log ULS Application - Public Safety Pool, Conventional - 0006368754 - New York State Department of Environmental Conservation Office For Public Protection - Transaction Log

I do know that one of the requirements to qualify for many of the federal grants, especially Homeland Security grants, is that your radio system must have P25 capability even if you operate analog. It's part of the shift to "interoperability."

So NYSP and DEC are likely positioning themselves for that eventuality, even if there are no plans to move away from analog for now.

n2nov · Oct 20, 2014

SteveC0625 said:
I do know that one of the requirements to qualify for many of the federal grants, especially Homeland Security grants, is that your radio system must have P25 capability even if you operate analog. It's part of the shift to "interoperability."

So NYSP and DEC are likely positioning themselves for that eventuality, even if there are no plans to move away from analog for now.

I know of nothing more "interoperable" than plain old analog voice.

SteveC0625 · Oct 20, 2014

n2nov said:
I know of nothing more "interoperable" than plain old analog voice.

I do not disagree with your statement, but that's not the way that the feds see it and they are the ones controlling the grants.

SCPD · Oct 20, 2014

I imagine in future p25 conventional will be a standard for the 700/8 uhf vhf interop channels. Already to be on a forestry fire line your required to carry a p25 compliant radio.

MegaHertz315 · Oct 20, 2014

This year, there has been an increased use of digital operations (w/ encryption) on SP channels; 155.460 & 155.565 That maybe a sign of things to come?

They are also using 700 MHz for events. Digital (w/ encryption)

Spec · Oct 21, 2014

KC2CNY said:
This year, there has been an increased use of digital operations (w/ encryption) on SP channels; 155.460 & 155.565 That maybe a sign of things to come?

They are also using 700 MHz for events. Digital (w/ encryption)

Often both these freq. are used as VIP protection / tactical / surveillance channels so the use of encryption is not surprising.

Darkstar350 · Oct 21, 2014

yeah interop would make sense as to why they would keep channels licensed for analog as well as digital...

I just noticed this - whats with that [A] in between the emissions? like 11K2F3E, [A] 8K10F1D, [A] 8K10F1E

anyway ive been hearing their usual traffic on analog but I loaded the frequencies in question into my digital and set them to "digital only" so ill see if I get anything...

SteveC0625 · Oct 21, 2014

Darkstar350 said:
yeah interop would make sense as to why they would keep channels licensed for analog as well as digital...

I just noticed this - whats with that [A] in between the emissions? like 11K2F3E, [A] 8K10F1D, [A] 8K10F1E

anyway ive been hearing their usual traffic on analog but I loaded the frequencies in question into my digital and set them to "digital only" so ill see if I get anything...

Which specific document has these [A]???? I looked at a couple and didn't see them. Rather than us trying to paw through all the licenses, how 'bout posting a link to the document where you are seeing this?

Darkstar350 · Oct 21, 2014

my mistake - I should have put up the links...

here ULS Application - Public Safety Pool, Conventional - 0006368781 - New York State Department of Environmental Conservation Office For Public Protection - Frequency Summary

and here ULS Application - Public Safety Pool, Conventional - 0006368754 - New York State Department of Environmental Conservation Office For Public Protection - Frequency Summary

theres actually a [M] on one of them...

Lynch_Christopher · Oct 21, 2014

The [A] means that they are adding that emission to the license. [M] means that they are modifying the license and [D] for delete.

Darkstar350 · Oct 22, 2014

oh ok yeah that would make sense thanks Lynch...

still haven't heard anything on digital - still hearing the DEC on analog 172.275 and 159.225 i belive... same with state police
i think in the database they have a police freq confirmed with a NAC...

lafd55 · Oct 22, 2014

Channels used by SORT, Executive Detail, and other TAC channels are p25 and Encrypted. I don't believe digital is in the near future for the State Police.

riveter · Oct 23, 2014

Their primary system would have to be rebuilt statewide if they were to transition to P25, as P25 requires much stronger blanket coverage- what would be very scratchy but readable analog might not even decode enough as P25 to register as a channel grant with the radio or decode any audible voice. P25 isn't their day to day game, but it offers benefits for those sections of NYSP that require the ability to secure their comms.

DaveNF2G · Oct 23, 2014

If you're hearing DEC on 172 MHz, then something is wrong. Maybe an image or intermod.

SteveC0625 · Oct 23, 2014

DaveNF2G said:
If you're hearing DEC on 172 MHz, then something is wrong. Maybe an image or intermod.

David,

You never cease to amaze me after all these years. Take a look at WNND347, the license, not the current application to mod by adding P25 emissions. It was originally issued in 2010 for 3 fixed locations in Suffolk County plus the usual mobile area. The licensee is NYS DEC Office for Public Protection.

Thunderknight · Oct 23, 2014

DaveNF2G said:
If you're hearing DEC on 172 MHz, then something is wrong. Maybe an image or intermod.

Nothing is wrong. 47CFR90.265(c) permits use by licenses engaged in forest firefighting and conservation activities.

DaveNF2G · Oct 24, 2014

Oops. I keep forgetting that the NYC Metro area is on another planet.

Darkstar350 · Oct 25, 2014

Yeah 172 is usually in the Federal govt range - not so much state gov so that is different...

I think the 172 is mainly for the Long Island area every other area uses their statewide freqs...
but yeah that's how I have the DEC programmed - all of their statewide freqs as well as whatever else local system/frequency they may be on I think that's the best way to program any State service that has statewide freqs/operates on different systems ...

CqDx · Feb 13, 2015

Caught some traffic on the NYSP Tactical channel few days ago in Hudson Valley - 155.565 P25 NAC 240 Encrypted.

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