996XT VS BCD 436 Region of Peel reception

02blackss · Oct 20, 2014

Hello guys, I am pulling my hair out on this one.

The region of peel is a basic P25 system I believe at the moment, My BCD 436 is picking up the system now perfectly, however my 996XT will barely stop on any transmission.

Any ideas guys...

Something in the programming or does the 436 just decode P25 that much better..

thank you!

Jason

Subliminal87 · Oct 20, 2014

436/536 decodes p25 much better I believe.

jonesyxvii · Oct 20, 2014

The new Peel P25 system is P25 Phase II, which the 996XT will not decode, I believe. The 436/536, however, will do Phase II.

bigcam406 · Oct 21, 2014

jonesyxvii said:
The new Peel P25 system is P25 Phase II, which the 996XT will not decode, I believe. The 436/536, however, will do Phase II.

you sir,are correct.

mikewazowski · Oct 21, 2014

Until Peel starts using Phase II, a 996XT will work fine.

bigcam406 · Oct 21, 2014

MikeOxlong said:
Until Peel starts using Phase II, a 996XT will work fine.

i was under the impression they already were.

SCPD · Oct 21, 2014

02blackss said:
Hello guys, I am pulling my hair out on this one.

The region of peel is a basic P25 system I believe at the moment, My BCD 436 is picking up the system now perfectly, however my 996XT will barely stop on any transmission.

Any ideas guys...

Something in the programming or does the 436 just decode P25 that much better..

thank you!

It appears the 436 is much better on some P25 systems, I know Peel old and new system are simulcast systems and scanners have had trouble with those type of systems in the past, maybe the 435 has improved on that. I notice huge improvements on Halton as well, old 996 not stopping on talkgroups but 436 is.

I have the reverse problem you are having with Peel and it's probably a programming/settings error on my part as I am new to the radio but Peel talkgroups just don't seem to come through with voice. The one good thing about working through these technical problems is we really learn the radio and the software, when you are troubleshooting the impossible you go through every setting, learn what each setting does and get a good behind the scenes working knowledge of the equipment.

jonesyxvii · Oct 21, 2014

MikeOxlong said:
Until Peel starts using Phase II, a 996XT will work fine.

The db lists it as a "Project 25 Phase II" system. Is that not correct? Peel Region (Project 25) Trunking System, Peel Region, Ontario - Scanner Frequencies

SCPD · Oct 21, 2014

jonesyxvii said:
The db lists it as a "Project 25 Phase II" system. Is that not correct? Peel Region (Project 25) Trunking System, Peel Region, Ontario - Scanner Frequencies

Keep in mind all the stuff on RR is submitted by hobbyists like us and there are a lot of mistakes, corrections and updates are always happening but yea it's probably Phase II capable but so far no phase II talkgroups have come up.

mikewazowski · Oct 21, 2014

Yes, the database is correct. The system is Phase II but all that means is the system supports tdma talkgroups.

You have to look at the talkgroups to see if any are tdma. In this case, none are marked as tdma so a 996XT will work fine on the system.

jonesyxvii · Oct 22, 2014

I was out at the airport today so listened into the new system on my 996XT, and sure enough I heard transmissions. Good to know!

torontokris · Oct 22, 2014

So is it definitely a phase 1? Hearing multiple people say it doesn't work well on a 996 but works great on the new unidens 436/536

jonesyxvii · Oct 22, 2014

I wasn't paying attention to which talk groups came up but the 996XT was in Search mode so it could have been anything. But I definitely heard voices, in the clear.

mikewazowski · Oct 23, 2014

Add I said a few posts before, the system is Phase II. All that means is that it supports tdma talkgroups. Whether they are using them or not is a different story.

VE3RADIO · Oct 23, 2014

Almost all the new systems put on the air in recent days are going to be phase II.. as Steve said.. it does not mean they will implement phase II..

02blackss · Oct 24, 2014

Hey guys, after some extensive trouble shooting and testing, I have got the Peel P25 System to work on my 996XT quite well now. I am not too sure why, but as soon as I hooked up a dedicated 800 Mhz antenna to the 996XT it came in very well.

The 436 was just using a watson wsma-801 ducky antenna and it was picking it up well..

But to still compare the two, the 436 seems to decode much much better hands down..

So who knows,

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SCPD · Oct 24, 2014

02blackss said:
Hey guys, after some extensive trouble shooting and testing, I have got the Peel P25 System to work on my 996XT quite well now. I am not too sure why, but as soon as I hooked up a dedicated 800 Mhz antenna to the 996XT it came in very well.

The 436 was just using a watson wsma-801 ducky antenna and it was picking it up well..

But to still compare the two, the 436 seems to decode much much better hands down..

So who knows,

You are correct, the 436 handles Peel and Halton much better than the XT

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