Encrypted Systems in Ontario

mciupa · Apr 1, 2015

Hey, let me know when it happens and I'll update the list:

Code:

Ontario 


Agency/Entity 

County 

Details 

Encryption Type 

Cornwall Community Police Service  Cornwall  All traffic  Unknown  
Niagara Regional Police Service  Niagara  All traffic  P25  
Orangeville Police Service  Dufferin  All traffic  P25  
Owen Sound Police Service  Grey  All traffic  Voice inversion  
Shelburne Police Service  Dufferin  All traffic  P25  
Windsor Police Service  Essex  All traffic  P25  
Sarnia Police Service  Lambton  All traffic  P25  
Stratford Police Service  Perth  All traffic  P25  
Strathroy-Caradoc Police Service  Middlesex  All traffic  MotoTRBO  
London Police Service  Middlesex  All traffic  EDACS AEGIS  
Woodstock Police Service  Oxford  All traffic  P25  
Wingham / West Grey Police Service  Grey  All traffic  MotoTRBO  
Toronto Police Service  Toronto  All traffic  P25  
Peel Regional Police Service  Peel  All traffic  P25  
Halton Regional Police Service  Halton  All traffic  P25  
York Regional Police Service  York  All Traffic  P25  
South Simcoe Police Service  Simcoe  All Traffic  NXDN

Forts · Apr 1, 2015

Is that list from the Wiki Mike? I have a few changes I can give you but I don't want to derail this thread.

mciupa · Apr 1, 2015

Forts said:
Is that list from the Wiki Mike? I have a few changes I can give you but I don't want to derail this thread.

Yeppers, Encrypted Agencies - The RadioReference Wiki

I see I missed Durham Regionals. Put them in a Private Message or use mciupa@radioreference.com so we can maintain the topic integrity here.

mbstone99 · Apr 1, 2015

mciupa said:
Yeppers, Encrypted Agencies - The RadioReference Wiki

I see I missed Durham Regionals. Put them in a Private Message or use mciupa@radioreference.com so we can maintain the topic integrity here.

Mike,

I noticed that also Hamilton Police & Fire (all traffic) are missing from that list.. Brantford Police (all traffic). Peterborough Police the last time I was up there uses some encryption..

Matt

troubleshooter1 · Apr 1, 2015

Cornwall All Traffic, P25, Encrypted AES256 Motorola. You can add 143.400 MHz. to 142.035 MHz. Never heard 141.585 MHz. simplex since they went to P25 digital. Doesn't mean it's not still in their radios.

slicerwizard · Apr 2, 2015

mciupa said:
Hey, let me know when it happens and I'll update the list:

Code:

Owen Sound Police Service Grey All traffic Voice inversion South Simcoe Police Service Simcoe All Traffic NXDN

Owen Sound isn't using voice inversion. They use NXDN 15 bit scrambling, exactly like South Simcoe PS does.

Just because some manufacturer/vendor decides to call it voice inversion, it doesn't make it so. All digital voice encryption (NXDN scrambling/ADP/DES/AES/...) randomly jumbles the bits. There is no inversion around a center frequency like there is in analog encryption. Next we'll be hearing that Germany's Enigma machines used ROT13...

IdleMonitor · Apr 3, 2015

I noticed The City of Ottawa wasn't mentioned on that list as well.

Ottawa Public Safety (EDACS) Trunking System, Ottawa, Ontario - Scanner Frequencies

Ottawa Public Safety (Project 25) Trunking System, Ottawa, Ontario - Scanner Frequencies

Also Smiths Falls too
Lanark County, Ontario (ON) Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference

torontokris · Apr 4, 2015

Neither link shows Ottawa as Encrypted. They are listed as Digital on Provoice system.. doesnt mean they are encrypted just because a Uniden scanner cant listen to them.

I'm not sure what they are running on the new P25 system as Im not in the area. They probably will be encrypted but has it been verified yet?

IdleMonitor said:
I noticed The City of Ottawa wasn't mentioned on that list as well.

Ottawa Public Safety (EDACS) Trunking System, Ottawa, Ontario - Scanner Frequencies

Ottawa Public Safety (Project 25) Trunking System, Ottawa, Ontario - Scanner Frequencies

Also Smiths Falls too
Lanark County, Ontario (ON) Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference

mmisk · Apr 5, 2015

Ottawa is not encrypted on the EDACS system.

Ottawa is not encrypted on the EDACS system. There are a few encrypted talk groups, but most are in the clear.
Guess we will just have to wait and see when they switch over to P25, but I am expecting encryption, and getting used to the idea of not listening anymore.

Mike

Muxlow · Apr 7, 2015

Kwarth Lakes Police are TRBO,
LaSalle Police are NXDN
Wingham Police TRBO
Hanover Police TRBO
Amhurstberg Police P25

RainbowSix · Apr 8, 2015

Toronto Pearson Airport - P25 - enc

shores · Apr 8, 2015

owen sound police DID use voice inversion
they have changed to nxdn though with proper encryption.
saugeen shores uses the same nxdn with encryption

exkalibur · Apr 8, 2015

I wouldn't exactly call NXDN "proper" encryption - it uses a 15 bit key, so there are just under 33 thousand possible keys. Even a computer from 10 years ago would only need a few minutes to brute force that.

Forts · Apr 8, 2015

Does the job though... Blocks future potential scanners and DSD.

tilt404 · Apr 12, 2015

Correction

For Windsor this TGID is said to be encrypted but it is not.

18 012 E City TAC City Tactical

That PD TGID 18 is not encrypted. Its a City wide tac open to all city TGIDs for them to reach Police or Fire if needed from their radios.

TenFiftyOne · Aug 3, 2017

torontokris said:
Neither link shows Ottawa as Encrypted. They are listed as Digital on Provoice system.. doesnt mean they are encrypted just because a Uniden scanner cant listen to them.

I'm not sure what they are running on the new P25 system as Im not in the area. They probably will be encrypted but has it been verified yet?

Some groups on EDACS96 2 Ottawa (867.7125) are now:
342, 343, 348, 354, 355 is busy lately, 356, 361, 362, 363, 366, 370.
I've been wondering what are 31 & 32?

I'd let you know about 822F (Fleetnet zone 2)and 16B7E-02E (P25) but it's too live to leave!

gary123 · Aug 3, 2017

Add
Guelph PD P25 ADP
Oxford PD P25 DES-OFB
OPP services like TRU teams and 'intelligence' freqs P25 (several formats in use).

Forts · Aug 3, 2017

By Oxford police I presume you mean Woodstock... And they are already on the list.

Guelph with ADP? Is that on their new system? Cuz ADP no worky on Fleetnet.

London Police can be updated to P25 AES, and Aylmer Police can be added (MotoTRBO Enhanced Privacy).

scantbay · Aug 3, 2017

Add Thunder Bay police edacs provoice to the list. They are converting to P25 early next year and will likely remain encrypted. It remains to be seen if fire will stay in the clear when they join the P25 system.

SCPD · Aug 4, 2017

NXDN ENC.

In the case of the Bracebridge Fire and Roads department they went NXDN ENC last year. When I listen to their two repeater sites the audio has the old Donald duck sound you can almost make out what their saying.
In the old analog days when they used inversion we just turned the BFO up and you would be able to clear up the audio. Would this Donald Duck sound indicate some type of simple inversion? Now I do realize digital is a whole new ball game just some nostalgia kicking in.

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