Bearcat1.com affiliated with RR?

QDP2012 · Nov 29, 2015

Good evening RR staff,

(Mod's, I'm not sure which forum to use for the following question. Please move the thread as needed with my thanks and apologies.)

Quite by accident, from a Google-search related to an RR-forum topic, I navigated to the following page:

Bearcat1.com: Scanner Frequencies & Codes

and noticed at the bottom of the above page the following link:

"Search Our Comprehensive Trunked Radio Database for Frequencies and Talk Group IDs". (Emphasis on "our" is mine.)

The above linked page lists four search-by-country options, all of which simply display the mobile version of the RR site inside the Bearcat1 site's framed page.

I'm curious... Is the Bearcat1 website, or its owner, affiliated with RR in such a way that it can claim the RRDB as "Our" DB, ...Or, are non-RR scanner/radio sites commonly allowed to use and claim the RRDB in this manner?

Just curious,

Thanks,

buddrousa · Nov 29, 2015

Domain Name: BEARCAT1.COM
Registry Domain ID: 340026_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Registrar URL: Website Design and Hosting | Domains | Website Builder | NetworkSolutions.com
Updated Date: 2015-01-28T23:38:47Z
Creation Date: 1996-09-28T04:00:00Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2016-09-27T04:00:00Z
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
Registrar IANA ID: 2
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: email@web.com
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.8003337680
Reseller:
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited http://www.icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: Hobby Radio Stop
Registrant Organization: Hobby Radio Stop
Registrant Street: 1225 East David Road, Suite 2
Registrant City: Kettering
Registrant State/Province: OH
Registrant Postal Code: 45429
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone:
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax: +1.9999999999
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: email@ERINET.COM
Registry Admin ID:
Admin Name: Schrein, Norm
Admin Organization: Hobby Radio Stop
Admin Street: 1225 E DAVID RD STE 2
Admin City: KETTERING
Admin State/Province: OH
Admin Postal Code: 45429-5771
Admin Country: US

QDP2012 · Nov 29, 2015

Thanks for the reply. I was not asking about the domain-registration. I was asking about affiliation, as in business-affiliation.

In other words, does the site have RR's permission (by legal agreement or by personnel-relationship) to use the mobile-version of the RRDB in this manner, and claim it as "our" (their) DB? Or is such permission not required, such that other sites are allowed to do this also?

Thanks,

W8RMH · Nov 29, 2015

RR merged many, many scanner frequency resources years ago and I believe Bearcat1 was one of them.

Norm Schrein was very active before RR. He published the Betty Bearcat National Police Frequency Directory. I am not positive but I believe he was/is an administrator here at RR.

QDP2012 · Nov 29, 2015

Thanks. I was guessing it was something like that.

Thanks again,

dave3825 · Nov 30, 2015

The real question is when you click either of the following links,

Get a Frequency Database
for your State

Get a Frequency Database
for your County

where is it getting this info from and if its rr.com, do they have permission to sell it?

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fxdscon · Nov 30, 2015

I also noticed that at the bottom of some pages on that site, there is a very small credit given to Radio Reference where is says "Powered by Radio Reference"

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QDP2012 · Nov 30, 2015

dave3825 said:
The real question is when you click either of the following links,

Get a Frequency Database
for your State

Get a Frequency Database
for your County

where is it getting this info from and if its rr.com, do they have permission to sell it?

I wondered the same thing.

fxdscon said:
I also noticed that at the bottom of some pages on that site, there is a very small credit given to Radio Reference where is says "Powered by Radio Reference"

I missed that the first time. Good catch.

Thanks,

mikewazowski · Nov 30, 2015

As far as I know, Norm is not and has never been a DB Admin.

Lindsay would be the only one who could comment on any sort of business relationship between Norm's site and RadioReference.

blantonl · Dec 2, 2015

W8RMH said:
RR merged many, many scanner frequency resources years ago and I believe Bearcat1 was one of them.

Norm Schrein was very active before RR. He published the Betty Bearcat National Police Frequency Directory. I am not positive but I believe he was/is an administrator here at RR.

Norm and RadioReference has zero relationship whatsoever.

I'll have a look at this to see what is going on.

Thanks,

blantonl · Dec 2, 2015

Jeeze, some of that stuff is straight up gangster.

Can anyone say Microsoft Frontpage 1998?

I can't actually find our embedded data, the navigation is confusing (this statement coming from me is pretty telling considering I can be accused of developing some pretty confusing navigation)

QDP2012 · Dec 2, 2015

blantonl said:
I can't actually find our embedded data, the navigation is confusing (this statement coming from me is pretty telling considering I can be accused of developing some pretty confusing navigation)

Sir, please click on Bearcat1.com's "USA Search" button on the right side of the screen, and then in the lower-right "main" window, navigate down through the states and the state-agencies, etc. It will eventually show the RRDB data. If you then open that lower-right frame in a separate tab/window, the URL is the mobile-url for RRDB. Also, I just noticed that if you just mouse-over the "USA Search" button, its link is the mobile-url for RRDB:US.

Edit: Please click on the second link in my first post above. Then the above paragraph will make sense. Thanks.

Edit2,3: The phone number shown on Bearcat1.com seems to also belong to www.1610.info, also shown as WPVW207 - Information Radio 1660 Kettering, OH, but the callsign belongs to Harrison Twp FD EOC, which lists 1610 kHz, 1660 kHz. -- seems odd all around.

Thanks,

Citywide173 · Dec 2, 2015

You have to click "Quick Frequency Search" from the front page which will take you to http://www.bearcat1.com/QuickFrequencySearch/ then the tabs referenced above will be visible.

dave3825 · Dec 2, 2015

If you start at http://www.bearcat1.com/ it will bring up a page.

Look for Free Trunked Fleet ID's for your area (Works with Scancat)

That takes you to a new page. Click on USA search on the top right. Takes you to http://m.radioreference.com/?coid=1

That brings up the pic below.

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15plus1 · Dec 2, 2015

blantonl said:
Jeeze, some of that stuff is straight up gangster.

Straight up gangster ??? Really ??!

What, are u straight out of Compton ???

buddrousa · Dec 2, 2015

What is he? He is the owner of this site and his data is being stolen. He is paying for the bandwidth also.

hfxChris · Dec 2, 2015

This site is like taking a stroll back in time. I feel like I should download a copy of Netscape.

Citywide173 · Dec 3, 2015

hfxChris said:
This site is like taking a stroll back in time. I feel like I should download a copy of Netscape.

Wait! What's wrong with Netscape?

Citywide173 · Dec 3, 2015

buddrousa said:
He is the owner of this site and his data is being stolen. He is paying for the bandwidth also.

It's the band with...period. The data is readily available, and on RR it is compiled by mostly volunteers, so there is no intrinsic value....of course when you consider the licensing of the hard work of those volunteers to major radio scanner manufacturers.....

DaveNF2G · Dec 3, 2015

Presentation, formatting and code are copyrightable. Public information (whatever is contained in FCC licenses) is not. Running a search through someone else's database without their consent is theft.

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