Garland APCO-P25 Future Information

Motoballa · Jan 7, 2016

Hello. I will be visiting with one of the coordinators for the new P25 system soon, If I can get any additional information about the system, I will submit it, if y'all have any questions, post a comment and Ill write them down and ask him.

Mork · Jan 29, 2016

MyMotoROLA said:
Hello. I will be visiting with one of the coordinators for the new P25 system soon, If I can get any additional information about the system, I will submit it, if y'all have any questions, post a comment and Ill write them down and ask him.

Did you find out any useful information?

Motoballa · Jan 29, 2016

We haven't had a chance to meet up yet.

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Russell · Jan 29, 2016

Here are the freqs they're requesting from CAPRAD, but I don't see any FCC activity, yet.

769.53125
769.80625
770.33125
770.80625
771.24375
771.49375
771.64375
771.90625
772.04375
772.16875
772.43125
772.68125
772.93125
773.43125
774.13125
774.68125

Thanks,
Russell

Motoballa · Jan 29, 2016

I saw something about 20 channel sites, that's 16 there, we'll have to see. Thank you Russell! 73

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Motoballa · Feb 17, 2016

Yes yes, I know. I've yet to meet with him. He had a recent family emergency, I'll plan it for next week.

Motoballa · Feb 17, 2016

Here is part of an email he sent:

"The new 700 MHz P25 Motorola Astro system is going well. We completed factory acceptance testing at Motorola’s office in Schaumburg, IL in December and they have already shipped all of the major components of the system. I have some photos that I can show you of the equipment as it was setup in the testing room at Motorola. This was the only time that ALL of the components of the system will be put together in one place – in operation, some of it will be in Garland, some in Rowlett, some in Mesquite and some in Sachse."

nd5y · May 28, 2016

Update 5/28/16 new license applications

Three new license applications
ULS Application - Conventional Public Safety 700 MHz - 0007284539 - GARLAND, CITY OF
ULS Application - Conventional Public Safety 700 MHz - 0007284540 - GARLAND, CITY OF
ULS Application - Conventional Public Safety 700 MHz - 0007284541 - MESQUITE, CITY OF
The strange thing is the radio service is SG - Conventional Public Safety 700 MHz and not trunked.

Contact info is for this company
http://bv.com/home/capabilities/market/telecommunications/public-safety
I guess that's who is bulding it.

Russell · May 28, 2016

nd5y said:
Three new license applications
ULS Application - Conventional Public Safety 700 MHz - 0007284539 - GARLAND, CITY OF
ULS Application - Conventional Public Safety 700 MHz - 0007284540 - GARLAND, CITY OF
ULS Application - Conventional Public Safety 700 MHz - 0007284541 - MESQUITE, CITY OF
The strange thing is the radio service is SG - Conventional Public Safety 700 MHz and not trunked.

Contact info is for this company
Black & Veatch delivers a vertically integrated solution for upgrading or building a wireless public safety communications system
I guess that's who is bulding it.

So much for all that experience and expertise listed in their company profile. You're right, it is licensed wrong. It's supposed to be a Harris Phase II Trunked system.

Russell

PiccoIntegra · May 28, 2016

Russell said:
It's supposed to be a Harris Phase II Trunked system

I don't think that's true...Harris was outbid.

Recommended Vendor: Motorola (Page 21)

The emission designators also indicate it will be Motorola, based on their own literature.

Russell · May 28, 2016

PiccoIntegra said:
I don't think that's true...Harris was outbid.

Recommended Vendor: Motorola (Page 21)

The emission designators also indicate it will be Motorola, based on their own literature.

Well there ya go.

A Moto P2 Trunked then.

hiegtx · May 28, 2016

Russell said:
Well there ya go. A Moto P2 Trunked then.

Maybe it will avoid the train wreck that is the ongoing issues with the Harris MetroCrest P2 system.

PiccoIntegra · May 28, 2016

Russell said:
Well there ya go. A Moto P2 Trunked then.

heh yup..

I'm under ten miles from the purposed Sachse tower, so I should be able to pick this system up easily. I've got a scanner dedicated to scan those frequencies, so I'll catch it when it comes online.

28056 · May 31, 2016

Some of that licencing looks like a soup sandwich. Mesquite sites listed on the Garland licence?

Anyway, the Mesquite service center tower has had the new building added for that site. I have zero gear for digital, but I did pick up two cheap dongles last year so I'll try to get them running on an extra laptop. I am 3.7 miles from the service center and less than 3 miles from the Town East water tower. I'm a little further away from McKenzie tower.

Correction for the OP, it is better to describe this as the Garland Mesquite system (plus Rowlett and Sachse as minor partners).

nd5y · Jun 1, 2016

Another new application.
ULS Application - Conventional Public Safety 700 MHz - 0007286353 - MESQUITE, CITY OF

outrun · Jun 12, 2016

Is this going to be encrypted?

Motoballa · Jun 12, 2016

I was told that is up to the appropriate staff. (Police Chief, Fire Chief, etc.) So it may be or it may not be, I was told FD is most likely not going to be encrypted. I can tell you all of Rowlett (PD) will be encrypted according to the Chief himself. Which is rather unfortunate. When I assisted in running the Rowlett/Sachse Scanner page we discussed the encryption and what our solution to it would be, I'm not at liberty to discuss the specifics but we've consulted with the right people about possible solutions so we can stay up to date and inform the citizens.

SCPD · Jun 14, 2016

What part of interoperability do they not get? Encryption just screws up other agencies who may need to respond to a scene. DPS 101 won't talk to Greenville PD on their channel because of encryption - Security companies often use at least Dispatch to keep up with happenings. Richardson at least kept the dispatch channel open. Crypt your TAC and DOPE channels, maybe even INFO. but why hide your dispatch channel from the people? Where is government transparency in that?

Motoballa · Jun 14, 2016

CoffeeHound said:
What part of interoperability do they not get? Encryption just screws up other agencies who may need to respond to a scene. DPS 101 won't talk to Greenville PD on their channel because of encryption - Security companies often use at least Dispatch to keep up with happenings. Richardson at least kept the dispatch channel open. Crypt your TAC and DOPE channels, maybe even INFO. but why hide your dispatch channel from the people? Where is government transparency in that?

I can completely agree. Example, the Tornado that hit Rowlett.. If your talkgroups are encrypted then whats the point in calling mutual aid if the other agencies can't get access to the correct talkgroups? I mean even think of it this way that if they had talkgroups dedicated to mutual aid it'd be much harder to manage, when you have 25 people on 1 channel, then you split them about 5-10 channels your not really gonna coordinate anything, if you have Officer A looking for Officer B, and Officer B is on 1 of the many channels dedicated to mutual aid Officer A is gonna have to go through all channels, interrupting traffic to talk to Officer B, along with Rowlett has 3 dispatchers, good luck keep track of where people go in that situation, along with having to tell everyone to switch to the m/a channel(s) so much to do in an emergency.. I just wish he'd see it that way. It is a big issue.

PiccoIntegra · Jun 17, 2016

I started hearing voice traffic on the new 700MHz frequencies this morning, and it sent me scrambling. It turns out I'm picking up the TxWARN site Houston Public Safety Northeast Simulcast... with the RS 800 MHz antenna... in COLLIN COUNTY. Holy crap!

What's funny is, I'm getting better voice decode from a Uniden scanner on this system in Houston, than I can get from PAWM. :roll:

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