Got my first voice transmission from the testers today off of Spy Hill repeater. It was in the clear (P25 Digital). But all the transmissions I saw on Forest Lawn was encrypted. 
AFRRCS Encryption Discussion
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All sorts of testing heard today on several different groups. I think I heard one Harris/AFRRCS tech reference High Level.
Encryption isn't restricted by tower, by the way - it's more likely that the encrypted users just happened to be at a location that kept them to just the one tower.
Encryption isn't restricted by tower, by the way - it's more likely that the encrypted users just happened to be at a location that kept them to just the one tower.
It's nice to know that EMS using radios with ID number on a site that have six peers
But what's the point if you can't monitor them?
With all Tier 1 users with maybe one exception communications will be encrypted
Tier 1 is the biggies, Police, Ambulance .....
Haha .. two eye rolls. :roll::roll:
I am with you on this one Doug, it is all pretty insane. I am not wasting my time on it.
Well some good news for Edmonton since at least a third of EMS calls are mutual with
Fire and it will be sometime before fire get on the system
Wonder when the techs will get the Edmonton simulcast distortion
Sorted out. It's even horrible on a real radio, they don't need to run encryption
It's that bad you hardley make out a word
I agree the Yagi pointed at tower helps. Looks like EMS has a new use
for the IV pole, mount Yagi's on them
Seen a few EMS portables affiliating to at least 10 new Talk groups today
Only two in the clear
Makes sense to not hear control if they're encrypted. Perhaps one or two radios escaped getting encryption loaded, or perhaps the talkgroups are actually not strapped E and the onus is on the operator to stay coded?
Everything I've se n down here has been encrypted
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So this new system us going to be aes encryption I herd any thoughts about this
There are some users using encryption (on some but not all channels) and some not. As for what type of encryption, I don't think it matters - encryption is encryption as far as the scanner hobbyist is concerned.
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Pretty much any law enforcement will be using encryption. There is even provisions for local law enforcement interop talkgroups to use encryption. The multidisciplinary Combined Event Talkgroups (CET)are mandated to be unencrypted.
For tier 1 users, you likely will only be able to listen to Fire, well those departments that will actually move to the system. Many likely won't use AFRRCS for anything other than interop.
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Well jee I sure hope technology let's us listen to law enforcement still someway
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Agree with the above .. they encrypt for a reason, to keep prying ears (unauthorized users) out.
That means scanner listeners.
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There wasn't an energetic push to encrypt in Canada until people (media) started broadcasting what should have been private moments, such as the "last words" of a dying man.
Media in this country generally don't show dead bodies in photographs or video nor do they publish gravely injured people coughing out their last breaths. I don't know why that rule wasn't observed just because the activity happened on a radio.
Besides that particular practice, you can thank other people such as kids who blatantly admit to programming up radios for public safety comms and chasing emergency services around pretending to respond to their calls as another reason why encryption is part of our world now.
Encryption is not a minor technological hurdle to overcome like trunking was or like Provoice was. Encryption is designed specifically to keep unauthorized listeners out, and engineered so that defeating it is essentially impossible. Finally, there are laws in place to prohibit encryption from being breached.
That being said, this is not the thread for an encryption discussion. Please keep conversations here focused on the AFRRCS network.
Media in this country generally don't show dead bodies in photographs or video nor do they publish gravely injured people coughing out their last breaths. I don't know why that rule wasn't observed just because the activity happened on a radio.
Besides that particular practice, you can thank other people such as kids who blatantly admit to programming up radios for public safety comms and chasing emergency services around pretending to respond to their calls as another reason why encryption is part of our world now.
Encryption is not a minor technological hurdle to overcome like trunking was or like Provoice was. Encryption is designed specifically to keep unauthorized listeners out, and engineered so that defeating it is essentially impossible. Finally, there are laws in place to prohibit encryption from being breached.
That being said, this is not the thread for an encryption discussion. Please keep conversations here focused on the AFRRCS network.
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yesterday i heard the DOTS ON 402 IN THE CLEAR I THOUGHT THEY WERE ENC IN LETHBRIDGE
yesterday i heard the DOTS ON 402 IN THE CLEAR I THOUGHT THEY WERE ENC IN LETHBRIDGE
I believe it was discovered that encryption is a choice the operator can make (technically speaking - policy-wise, they're probably supposed to stay encrypted all the time).
There are two different methods for encryption of a channel (talkgroup). There are channels which support clear traffic and encryption, and the onus is on the operator to select encrypted mode on their radio; and there are channels which are forced ("strapped") to encryption only, and radios will be forced into encrypted mode when they switch to that group (or, if the radios don't support encryption, they will be unable to join that group).
There are two different methods for encryption of a channel (talkgroup). There are channels which support clear traffic and encryption, and the onus is on the operator to select encrypted mode on their radio; and there are channels which are forced ("strapped") to encryption only, and radios will be forced into encrypted mode when they switch to that group (or, if the radios don't support encryption, they will be unable to join that group).
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