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Using Amplified Speaker With Scanner -- Ground Loop

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KC8WJG

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I want to use a NSN6027A with a handheld scanner (BC125AT) as my sole mobile equipment. It works and has plenty of volume (blows you out of the car at max) but I have a ground loop problem. The antenna is a 1/4 VHF spike on a trunk-lip mount, and the hum/whine gets worse when I connect the antenna to the scanner. I notice changes in the noise when I open and close the trunk lid, so it's pretty obvious.

For what it's worth, for the DC power, I'm using a cigarette lighter plug (don't judge me...) The AF input is just a simple cord with a 1/8 mono plug. I knew before I even turned on the ignition that I would get a ground loop, because I had just one of the AF wires hooked up and was getting audio. It must be through the antenna, because when I disconnect the BNC, the noise is reduced. I tried using a mag mount -- it reduced the hum/whine, but it also cut the audio output in half.

What can I do to eliminate, or, at the very least, reduce the noise? What am I doing wrong?

Would bonding straps on the trunk lid do any good?

Must I resort to using expensive chokes or suppressors? That's not something I really want to do because the whole idea of this $60 scanner/$20 speaker was to keep costs down and keep things simple.

I realize that these speakers weren't designed to be used with handheld scanners, but I used one with mobile scanner for years and didn't have any ground loop issues.
 

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The scanner is using a balanced audio output (gets more power to speaker with less voltage). In other words the "speaker ground" is not DC ground potential. The amplified speaker is using audio ground at DC ground potential so the audio amp in the scanner is not happy. An audio transformer with isolated input/output should cure the problem. A ground loop isolator from your local stereo shop or any audio transformer 8 to 40 ohms impedance on input and output will work. You can overcome impedance loss with your amplified speaker and a little loss may not be too bad anyhow.

Bruce
 

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Your explanation makes sense. I'm looking at GL isolators on eBay right now, and the only question I have at this point is are they mostly the same, price notwithstanding? I'm seeing some in the $10-$12 range with the 3.5 MM plug set up that look like they would meet my needs except that they all configured for stereo rather than mono. Will I have to convert them to mono or will it matter?

Thank you Bruce for your reply.
 

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It should work fine with mono plugs. The other side of the transformer will just be shorted out to the barrel of the plug.

Bruce
 
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