Falls fire could merge with police radio system

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Niagara Regional Police are in the process of setting up there new radio system in the 700-mhz band and are looking for partners to come onto the new radio system, this is an article about the Niagara Falls Ontario Fire Department thinking about joining the new 700-mhz system.
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Falls fire could merge with police radio system | Fort Erie Times

Didn't the Falls & St.Kitts spend a fortune Within the last 2 yrs to switch over to the new current P25 system and new dispatch console that is common to all the FD depts in the region.. And this system is already obsolete?
 

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All of the Niagara region fire departments are in talks with the police to join the new encrypted 700Mhz system and yes Falls and St. Kitts did just spend a fortune two years ago to go P25 but the new system offers voice security so this will be a necessary upgrade.

Last time line I've heard is late fall for fire and other services, police go first onto the new system.
 
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....and there is zero reason why they couldn't use encryption on their existing system either.
 

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....and there is zero reason why they couldn't use encryption on their existing system either.

But if there is an extra cost to upgrade Falls and St. Kitts to ENC then perhaps it's an easier sell to spend more money on brand new radios and join the 700Mhz system. Although in that article it says they have been notified by the vendor that parts and support for the current (new VHF p25 system) will not be available so maybe that is one way to get the customers to keep on spending.

Radio systems used to last 30 years, now 10 years but I have seen some contracts specifying 5-7 year lifespans so I guess the vendors are shortening the time frame of support and part supply to increase sales and they can do this, there's now law or regulation that says they have to support a line of products for any length of time.

This one lasted two years and ooops sorry, we no longer support that technology and can't supply parts anymore. It makes it an easy sell to taxpayers too, everyone has a smartphone or computer that after three years is out of date and not supported so when they hear that some radio technology is not supported after a few years it will seem like normal way of life these days.

The best way to force customers to upgrade and buy new is to cut of supply of parts, if they can't buy the parts they can't keep the old stuff alive.
 

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its a scam that has been sold to our beloved municipal boneheads for years.and they still fall for it.

What is, exactly?

Encryption costs nearly zero if they go with the ADP version. I spoke to a sales person from a local shop awhile ago - he said that if as purchased with a new system, AES can be had on an APX radio for <$100. Hardly a scam, and barely a line item on the budget.
 

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But if there is an extra cost to upgrade Falls and St. Kitts to ENC then perhaps it's an easier sell to spend more money on brand new radios and join the 700Mhz system. Although in that article it says they have been notified by the vendor that parts and support for the current (new VHF p25 system) will not be available so maybe that is one way to get the customers to keep on spending.

Radio systems used to last 30 years, now 10 years but I have seen some contracts specifying 5-7 year lifespans so I guess the vendors are shortening the time frame of support and part supply to increase sales and they can do this, there's now law or regulation that says they have to support a line of products for any length of time.

This one lasted two years and ooops sorry, we no longer support that technology and can't supply parts anymore. It makes it an easy sell to taxpayers too, everyone has a smartphone or computer that after three years is out of date and not supported so when they hear that some radio technology is not supported after a few years it will seem like normal way of life these days.

The best way to force customers to upgrade and buy new is to cut of supply of parts, if they can't buy the parts they can't keep the old stuff alive.

this
 

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What is, exactly?

Encryption costs nearly zero if they go with the ADP version. I spoke to a sales person from a local shop awhile ago - he said that if as purchased with a new system, AES can be had on an APX radio for <$100. Hardly a scam, and barely a line item on the budget.

Very true.. but.... they never buy ADP.. the generally go for AES256 ... and replacing a brand new conventional P25 radio system just to add encryption makes no sense whatsoever.. especially if the taxpayer is paying the bill.
 

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St. Catharines and Niagara Falls Fire are the only digital and will remain the only Depts within the Niagara Region to be that way at least for the foreseeable future. Have heard nothing as far as the smaller municipalities switching over. Seems like every time the police talk upgrades, the idea of all FD's switching over also starts. Maybe one day we will all be on a decent system. We have started switching to 3 digit regional numbering, maybe down the road this will be the next step.
 

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They really should just bite the bullet and put everyone on the same system. It'd almost be better to make whatever they switch to VHF - they already have the frequencies and infrastructure to support that band. There'd be something around two dozen-ish available frequencies if everyone combined.
 
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