Lakewood joined the Encryption Bandwagon
- Thread starter abqscan
- Start date
- Status
Pretty soon the entire west side of the metro area will be dark. Anyone have any word on if Denver will go dark when they go P25?
Sent from my SM-N920P using Tapatalk
Sent from my SM-N920P using Tapatalk
Spitfire8520
I might be completely clueless! =)
Officially, "That has yet to be determined."
Now everything that follows is purely speculation on my part.
The signs are pointing towards it pretty much being a done deal. Denver's radio techs were heard talking about it back in 2014. At the time, they also mentioned that Lakewood would be doing it too. Obviously that has happened. The MARC users are going away one by one.
There was hopeful speculation that the media would be up in arms over Denver. That has not been the case since 2013. The media immediately gave up after Fort Collins. Estes Park got a minor mention in their local news. Westminster got no news coverage. Arvada got no news coverage. Aurora got no news coverage. Lakewood will probably follow suit. They have already settled on accepting press releases and statements from the PIO at face value.
Even if they did care, these departments clearly don't. We never had a fighting chance.
Kevin_N
Member
You have one thing wrong. The reason the media is silent is that they are in bed with the agencies and get controlled access.
It's a great conspiracy.
Congrats to the pro encryption folks on here. Another tax payer funded secret police agency in league with the media to keep the general public in the dark. In the dark about being secret because hardly anyone was listening anyway and the media won't risk losing access, and in the dark about what's happening. But the public is safer, according to some police chiefs.
It's a great conspiracy.
Congrats to the pro encryption folks on here. Another tax payer funded secret police agency in league with the media to keep the general public in the dark. In the dark about being secret because hardly anyone was listening anyway and the media won't risk losing access, and in the dark about what's happening. But the public is safer, according to some police chiefs.
dougjgray
Member
So does the phase 2 have better encryption ability? it seems that very little encryption occured on phase 1. It seems once they switch they go encrypted
James_Bond_007
Member
this is the beginning of the end of scanning police in the greater Denver metro area. sadly we soon will have $600.00 door stops and the militarization of our local police will continue.
kayn1n32008
ØÆSØ
No. It is just a software upgrade with the APX series, rather than hardware AND software like the XTS is, if you did not purchase the hardware encryption module when you bought the radio..
Last edited:
dougjgray
Member
Not neccisarily a door stop i got the dmr update for my 436 so i can listen to hospital tvs not working and toilet calls lol
Troop
Member
- Joined
- Feb 5, 2005
- Messages
- 615
So do you think encrypted radio traffic will be different than non encrypted and encryption will promote "militarization"? Do you know what? It sucks that the "hobby" is fading away but that's taking it a tad far.
James_Bond_007
Member
encryption is just another step toward the overall furtherance of militarization and federalization of local police under the 1033 program.
Last edited:
snoopyII
Member
HUH?...1033 deals with disposal of military surplus to state and local law enforcement. It has nothing to do with federalizing any agency. It in no way puts LPD, CSP or anybody under federal control.
- Joined
- Feb 29, 2004
- Messages
- 1,942
Okay, so for DB updating purposes, do we agree to change the whole Lakewood PD section to encrypted?
Kevin_N
Member
One more quick comment.
I agree it's probably not as bad as that, but one point to make is that no one can know what an agency is up to now.
If nothing else it's bad policy to be that secretive. Some agencies agree and don't fully encrypt. A little oversight for something as important as law enforcement isn't a bad thing.
I want to still have respect for these agencies, but this doesn't make it easy.
But again, since there are no consequences for them doing that, there's nothing that can be done. There are a couple of guys trying in Arkansas, but we'll see.
It's only because not enough people care and the media won't risk doing a story. Just imagine if the government said people have to give up their Facebook. There would be riots.
I agree it's probably not as bad as that, but one point to make is that no one can know what an agency is up to now.
If nothing else it's bad policy to be that secretive. Some agencies agree and don't fully encrypt. A little oversight for something as important as law enforcement isn't a bad thing.
I want to still have respect for these agencies, but this doesn't make it easy.
But again, since there are no consequences for them doing that, there's nothing that can be done. There are a couple of guys trying in Arkansas, but we'll see.
It's only because not enough people care and the media won't risk doing a story. Just imagine if the government said people have to give up their Facebook. There would be riots.
Last edited:
James_Bond_007
Member
***SIGH***
all i have to say is facepalm and see the big picture of the direction it is heading in.
they are not federalized yet, but they are taking the baby steps toward that goal. it could take another decade but it's coming.
James_Bond_007
Member
listening now 8-15-16 @ 5pm mountain and hearing no traffic on my BCD996XT
sometimes it will stop and hold on a TG but no audio.
think it is safe to say they are encrypted now full time and all channels.
I spoke with a Lakewood PD Agent, he told me the biggest reason they chose to go full encryption was because of the smartphone scanner apps. He said that technology opened the door to EVERYONE listening to their radio traffic. I think the beginning of the end was the Live Feeds and those same feeds being used by app designers to create a way for people to use to get the upper hand on law enforcement. Not a lot of people can afford a $300-$500 receiver, but everyone has a smartphone and a buck or two for a police scanner app. I will go out on a limb and say, in hindsight, maybe having a Live Feed was just a bad idea.
Within the last year or 2 I remember hearing Lakewood pursue a Code 5 vehicle at a low rate of speed throughout town. As I recall it was a fairly long pursuit, and the driver had his phone to his ear for quite a while. They were convinced he was listening to them (which IMO was unlikely, but perhaps possible).
- Status
