United Airlines DIA now DMR

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It appears that United Airlines has switched over to DMR from Motorola Tyoe II
analog. I am hearing DMR signals on most of the former radio system frequencies
and since the signals are weak up here I am unable to decode.
 

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I am getting a weak signal also from El Paso County starting during August, here are my logs. I will start listening again and make another post.

United Airlines Denver Int'l Airport
ULS License - Business, 806-821/851-866 MHz, Trunked License - WNPY697 - United Airlines, Inc. - Frequencies Summary

Fixed location #1:
39-51-31.9 N, 104-43-47.9 W
Tower between C470 & DIA Terminal just n/of 88th Ave

Fixed location #2:
39-52-19.0 N, 104-40-10.9 W
United Airlines Hanger, DIA

854.8375
855.3375 ColorCode 9 SYS ID 396 Site 9
856.8125
856.8875
857.8875
858.7875 ColorCode 10 SYS ID 396 Site 10
858.8875
858.9125
859.8875 ColorCode 9
860.8125
860.8875
860.9125

This is what RR is showing for United Airlines Motorola Type II Smartnet at
https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?sid=2281

853.4625
854.8375
856.8125
856.8875
857.8875
858.7875
858.8875
859.8875
860.8125
860.8875
860.9125
 

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Sites 1-8 are listed here:

https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?sid=8309

More info logged since yesterday:

854.8375 ColorCode 9 SYS ID 396 Site 9, Connect Plus
855.3375 ColorCode 9 SYS ID 396 Site 9, Connect Plus
856.8125
856.8875 ColorCode 10 SYS ID 396 Site 10, Connect Plus
857.8875
858.7875 ColorCode 10 SYS ID 396 Site 10, Connect Plus
858.8875
858.9125
859.8875 ColorCode 9 SYS ID 396 Site 9, Connect Plus
860.8125
860.8875
860.9125
 

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Do we know if these two sites are linked with the others? I have seen the same TG on both sites at the same time too.
 
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This is likely part of the same associated system that also exists in Houston (IAH) and Newark (EWR).
 

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Do we know if these two sites are linked with the others? I have seen the same TG on both sites at the same time too.

I don't know if they are linked per se, but they do share the same network ID and are all owned by united. for display purposes, i think it should be one large system. they are GPS'd out so no location conflicts will arise.
 

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What would be the logic behind having two separate systems at each airport that are either co-located or located in very close proximity to each other as this system is?

Also, I'm not very familiar with the networked DMR systems. Would this have the potential for someone to bring a radio with an ORD TG programmed in it to DEN and be able to talk to ORD through the DEN site?
 

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What would be the logic behind having two separate systems at each airport that are either co-located or located in very close proximity to each other as this system is?

We've been trying to figure that out about the Newark install for a while. It's not like EWR is a big airport in the scheme of things. North boundary to south boundary it's only 2.6mi. And it's less than 1000yds from Terminal C to United's Hangars, which is where each site is. That's half of the size of DEN, and only 2/3rds the size of IAH.

As to connectivity, my understanding is they have the ability to link each site in the system back to United's Network Operations Center in Chicago. I don't know about between airports.

By the way, if anyone has any suggestions for nailing down the LCN's better than what we have in Newark, I'm all ears.
 

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Programs like DSD work well for trying to figure out LCN order


I used DSD to figure out Denvers's system in 10 min. DSD shows the LCNs, and I used a scanner to confirm the audio and TG.
 

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If you've got a 4/536, the LCN finder works well. I used it to confirm the LCN on the Denver site in about 20 mins while driving around taking kids to school. Run it a few times to make sure there are no discrepancies and I'd call it good. Are you having problems tracking TGs with the published LCN?
 

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Are you having problems tracking TGs with the published LCN?

Unfortunately I'm the reason there are any published LCN's on the EWR site as there really has been nobody else working on it. One of the issues is that like many CON+ systems, they're using multiple licenses for a single operation. So there's frequencies on each license that may be part of the system but rarely see traffic due to capacity over demand, making it hard to catch. What I have I got using Uniden LCN finder, but it's bugging me. I don't think it's completely right.

I've never really played with DSD amazingly. Anybody have a good screen cap of the decode screen displaying how it shows the LCN's in the data stream?
 

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What would be the logic behind having two separate systems at each airport that are either co-located or located in very close proximity to each other as this system is?

Also, I'm not very familiar with the networked DMR systems. Would this have the potential for someone to bring a radio with an ORD TG programmed in it to DEN and be able to talk to ORD through the DEN site?

Craig, are you asking about multiple sites at DIA or multiple systems as in DMR and the older Moto trunk?
As far as the multiple sites part is concerned, it's most likely a simulcast system. DIA has some challenges for radio penetration into the buildings and the shadowed areas close to the concourses. The multiple sites cover those areas pretty well (or did the last time I worked there.) The city system was a simulcast while I was there, with a site at the towers on the west boundary and another on Concourse A.
If you're asking about the other thing, I'll leave that to someone more knowledgeable, but there's probably an overlap as they switch from one to the other.
DMR has proven VOIP capability so I would be more surprised if the United systems weren't linked, at least with their home office. And yes, if the talkgroups are programmed the same at each location, a radio would potentially work anywhere on the system. Or they could simply program a zone or two from each and put all of them on each radio, also possible.
 
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