New Radios for Goshen, IN.

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GOSHEN — A $117,000 grant for new radios was only half the amount Goshen police needed, leaving their lines of communication short until city council stepped in.

The Goshen Board of Works approved Monday an agreement for the Justice Assistant Grant that the police department received from the Indiana Criminal Justice Institute. Goshen police heard in December that they received the grant but only learned recently how much funding they got, according to Chief Jose Miller.

He noted that they received only about half of what they asked for to purchase new portable radios that can be used with a 800MHz communication system, which will be the standard in Elkhart County by 2021. Goshen is one of the few departments that still use old VHF radios, and he said it’s caused some communication issues with other agencies.

Radio conversations often have to be relayed through the county dispatch center, even when a Goshen police cruiser is right next to an officer from another department, Miller told Goshen City Council in August. He cited a recent car chase when the officer kept calling for backup but didn’t get a response, until an Indiana State Police patrolman saw him fly past with his lights and sirens going.

The JAG grant is enough to buy 23 tri-band radios to add to the 22 that the department already has. That left them 20 units short of what they needed to equip the full-time officers.

“That’s with no spares, just the basics of what we need to get the job done,” Miller said.

The city council had agreed to cover the cost of the remaining units at their Aug. 21 meeting, in order to take advantage of a discount available at the time on the $6,000-apiece radios. Mayor Jeremy Stutsman asked for the $110,000 appropriation after remarking that he saw firsthand the communication issues caused by the old radios, during the active shooter training police held at Goshen Middle School Aug. 3.

-From news article in The Elkhart Truth (www.elkharttruth.com)]
 

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"Radio conversations often have to be relayed through the county dispatch center..."

Gosh, they still do that here...and we're all on Safe-T!

Firefighter and/or EMT: "Dispatch could you have Deputy XXXX meet me on G-MA2?"
Dispatcher: "Deputy XXXX requests that you advise your traffic and I will relay." (insert extreme sarcasm emoji here)

I hope they all do well with their new radios...but they should not expect them to be a magic fix unless they come with a bundle of training. And some attitude modification.
 

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This just points out the absurdity of the public safety radio communications these days.

Most of us remember when $500 or $1000 would buy a pretty decent VHF or UHF public safety radio. $6000 for a "tri-band radio"? Nuts!
 

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Yeah way better coordination in a local region and you dont need to worry about covering all the bands.
Save lots of money in the process.
 

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"Radio conversations often have to be relayed through the county dispatch center..."

Gosh, they still do that here...and we're all on Safe-T!


Yes, they do it in this area too. Seems silly since one of the main reasons for the upgrade is to allow the officers from different agencies the ability to talk to each other. Even when City and County police are in a chase, the dispatchers are on the phone with each other relaying information.
 

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Interoperabilty is all about training and state of mind. If the officers don't want to spend time on radio training and their supervisors don't believe that different agencies should talk to each other during incidents, spending money on interoperable radios is a waste of taxpayer money.

In the conventional VHF world of days gone by, officers working in adjoining jurisdictions would have their local radio shop program their radios with the adjacent agency's radio channels. Now that we are all on SAFE-T and agencies are required to give specific approval for another agency to have their talk groups and programming templates are somewhat controlled by IPSC, the old school interoperability has gone by the wayside unless everyone agrees, in advance, to move traffic to the regional MA talkgroups.
 

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"Radio conversations often have to be relayed through the county dispatch center..."

Gosh, they still do that here...and we're all on Safe-T!


Yes, they do it in this area too. Seems silly since one of the main reasons for the upgrade is to allow the officers from different agencies the ability to talk to each other. Even when City and County police are in a chase, the dispatchers are on the phone with each other relaying information.

LE here pretty well all get on each other's TGs, or they'll use a MA TG when there's a pursuit or something, but they won't talk to anybody else no matter what the circumstances. That's what I meant by attitude modification being needed. The classic "us elites vs them lowlifes in ambulances and red trucks" mindset that is so destructive to overall cooperation.
 

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Interoperabilty is all about training and state of mind. If the officers don't want to spend time on radio training and their supervisors don't believe that different agencies should talk to each other during incidents, spending money on interoperable radios is a waste of taxpayer money.

In the conventional VHF world of days gone by, officers working in adjoining jurisdictions would have their local radio shop program their radios with the adjacent agency's radio channels. Now that we are all on SAFE-T and agencies are required to give specific approval for another agency to have their talk groups and programming templates are somewhat controlled by IPSC, the old school interoperability has gone by the wayside unless everyone agrees, in advance, to move traffic to the regional MA talkgroups.

Of course when a crisis situation arises, such as Noblesville West, where you're looking through the scope of an AR who has time to fumble around with the radio trying to remember where the #$%*! the MA talkgroup is found? Nah, easier just to key up and have the dispatcher relay the traffic over the phone.
 

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Of course when a crisis situation arises, such as Noblesville West, where you're looking through the scope of an AR who has time to fumble around with the radio trying to remember where the #$%*! the MA talkgroup is found? Nah, easier just to key up and have the dispatcher relay the traffic over the phone.

Listen to your radio. It tells you via voice announce on most radios in use what CH/TG your popping to. On IDPS I know for a fact this is so. Also so on MOST SAFE-T radios! This is included in the basic radio operations training that is done.
 
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