New TwoToneDetect in the works - Python based

[tecker]

Originally Posted by emt036

It's occurring on the exact same frequency, with the exact same scanner (RS Pro 404) hooked up to the exact same sound card (Sound Blaster Audigy SE) through the Line In.

Originally Posted by emt036

Same thing is happening on the same scanner, different frequency

Ok. When you say "different frequency" do you mean tone frequency or broadcast frequency? If you are scanning two different broadcast frequencies, what are the two frequencies? It may be that the system is catching a sideband if they are too close together. Also are you close to the broadcast tower?

I would assume that if you are scanning two different broadcast frequencies and they are close together that what is happening is that when the page comes through the scanner keys up on the 'wrong' frequency and the text is garbled. Similar to tuning your fm radio close to the stations true frequency (tuned to 99.3 instead of the proper 99.5) when close to the tower.

Otherwise we will need to look into a short or something further if it is just one frequency.

[ziesenis]

I'm using two instances of v56 connected to two identical vertex portable radios monitoring separate frequencies. Over the last 6 months or so I've started receiving blank audio pages. Sometimes it's once a week other times it's three times a day. I've been monitoring the paging frequency to see if there were any tones being sent out when I received the email and every time there have been no tones. So far it's only occurred with one instance of TTD and radio so I might start with the radio, but has anybody else had this problem?

I've considered upgrading to v58 or v59 but in testing neither have proven to be as stable as v56 on my computer. I have a script that restarts TTD every Saturday morning, and restarts the computer at the first of every month. So far, knock on wood, besides the phantom pages I've had no problems with it!

[nick223]

i have the latest version 59c going for about a week and works great, i cant get my local email provider working so im using gmail no big deal. One thing i do notice is when i edit in notepad i can no longer edit with the 2 tone editor?(so then i have to reintall the whole program again) Also if i edit in notepad and start the program it reads on the debug screen tones loaded successfully but doesnt show all the tones loaded as it does using the editor. one thing i would like to see iis a name field on the editor. Thanks again for an amazing software program.

[brian79z]

Running version 56.

Upped the Btonelength to 2 (up from an initial 0.5)

I have never adjusted the Btonedebounce (currently set at 0 )

Can someone explain the Btonedebounce to me, so I can underastand it more.
Hopefully, the Btonedebounce is my problem with phantom page captures / texts

[emt036]

Originally Posted by tecker

Ok. When you say "different frequency" do you mean tone frequency or broadcast frequency? If you are scanning two different broadcast frequencies, what are the two frequencies? It may be that the system is catching a sideband if they are too close together. Also are you close to the broadcast tower?

I would assume that if you are scanning two different broadcast frequencies and they are close together that what is happening is that when the page comes through the scanner keys up on the 'wrong' frequency and the text is garbled. Similar to tuning your fm radio close to the stations true frequency (tuned to 99.3 instead of the proper 99.5) when close to the tower.

Otherwise we will need to look into a short or something further if it is just one frequency.

Sorry for the confusion.. actually both. Was happening on the same broadcast frequency - even within the same page when 2 tones were stacked, the recording triggered by one of the tones was fine, the second was garbled.

It is also happening on a second broadcast frequency (the scanner is only scanning 2 frequencies) - they are 460.475 and 155.160, so not close. I am about 5 - 10 miles from the respective towers.

Thanks for your help.

[emt036]

Originally Posted by brian79z

Running version 56.

Upped the Btonelength to 2 (up from an initial 0.5)

I have never adjusted the Btonedebounce (currently set at 0 )

Can someone explain the Btonedebounce to me, so I can underastand it more.
Hopefully, the Btonedebounce is my problem with phantom page captures / texts

Btonedebounce is basically how often the program checks the tone to make sure it's valid. (i.e. 4 times every 250ms at baseline, I think). The higher the number, the more it checks. This is supposed to reduce false/"phantom" pages... but the higher the number, the more likely it can check too many times and miss the page. I had it at 2, which was in the middle.

If you want to upgrade to v59, it doesn't make use of the debounce setting, since it uses a new algorithm, and it has been working well for me.

[nick223]

Trying to use this feature with a phone number address for text alerts I've added the number address and exclude from 22:00 to 06:00 does it need the Colon in the time or just the number? Earlier the tone were sent to everyone expect this number I believe the exclude feature is messing it up? I'm using the tone editor can anyone shed some light on how this feature works or an easy fix? Thanks

[DC31]

Originally Posted by brian79z

Running version 56.

Upped the Btonelength to 2 (up from an initial 0.5)

I have never adjusted the Btonedebounce (currently set at 0 )

Can someone explain the Btonedebounce to me, so I can underastand it more.
Hopefully, the Btonedebounce is my problem with phantom page captures / texts

Go back to post #1248 from 31-jan-2013 and then a few subsequent posts for a god explanation of the tone detection algrithms and the mysterious "debounce"

[tecker]

Originally Posted by nick223

does it need the Colon in the time or just the number? I'm using the tone editor can anyone shed some light on how this feature works or an easy fix? Thanks

Well I dont know about the editor but I think it was written to mainly just take text and put it back out in the file. So what ever is in the exclude time box is put after the "=" in the config file. In that case you probably want to do "hh:mm" format. Here is the example from the website:

exclude_from = 13:25                       
exclude_to = 13:35                       
exclude_emails = email2@textmessaging.com,email2@address.com

I dont know if you can do multiple times but I am wondering if there could be a wrapping issue where going past midnight into the next day is throwing it off. Doubtful from the way the documentation reads. Open up that config file in notepad (but dont save it) and check those exclude fields.

[tecker]

Originally Posted by emt036

Was happening on the same broadcast frequency - even within the same page when 2 tones were stacked, the recording triggered by one of the tones was fine, the second was garbled.

Ok. Close to the tower, frequencies to close together are out. Drat. Those were the easiest ones to hit.

Next questions: how often is the page scrambled? Does it toggle (good, bad, good, bad) or random? If there is a stacked page is the second always garbled? How often does this occur? Which software version?

Also, is this a dedicated computer? Can you listen in at the same time to the pages to see if something is going on? Does the computer have a second, internal soundcard we could test on?

Lots of factors here that could be an issue but this one seems strange.

[aaknitt]

Originally Posted by nick223

Trying to use this feature with a phone number address for text alerts I've added the number address and exclude from 22:00 to 06:00 does it need the Colon in the time or just the number? Earlier the tone were sent to everyone expect this number I believe the exclude feature is messing it up? I'm using the tone editor can anyone shed some light on how this feature works or an easy fix? Thanks

Was the page sometime between 22:00 and 06:00? If so, it's doing what it's supposed to do by not sending to that address during that time period. You want to enter it HH:MM format.

Andy

[nick223]

The page was at 1344 but I think it was just a mms carrier issue I did have the time from 2200-0600 and they received a call at 0100 this morning ill try pitting the : between the hr and mins tonight to see if that works.

[SirSmith]

Feature Request

Can you add support for ASIO drivers? I have a firewire audio input box that I use to stream my feeds, however in Two Tone it only shows up as the mixer and not the individual inputs. Programs that support the ASIO drivers can show each input individually I believe. This would also allow me to run separate instances of Two Tone on the same computer without having to worry about interfering radio traffic. Thanks!

[emt036]

Originally Posted by tecker

Ok. Close to the tower, frequencies to close together are out. Drat. Those were the easiest ones to hit.

Next questions: how often is the page scrambled? Does it toggle (good, bad, good, bad) or random? If there is a stacked page is the second always garbled? How often does this occur? Which software version?

Also, is this a dedicated computer? Can you listen in at the same time to the pages to see if something is going on? Does the computer have a second, internal soundcard we could test on?

Lots of factors here that could be an issue but this one seems strange.

It was random... no real rhyme or reason. Happened about half the time. V59a. It is a dedicated computer running 3 sound cards (1 internal, 2 PCI). I had the feed on the internal card and the two scanners for TTD on the PCI cards. I switched the two scanners that I have running for TTD, and the same thing happened with the 2nd scanner. So looked like a bad sound card, so I rotated them all again, and I put the feed on the potentially bad sound card, and it works just fine... Same frequencies, on the feed scanner as the paging scanners, so I have no idea why it wasn't working, and now it does, but I am going to leave it at that. Thanks for your help, trying to figure it out, but who knows - as long as it works. :-)

[tecker]

Originally Posted by emt036

Thanks for your help, trying to figure it out, but who knows - as long as it works. :-)

Not a problem. Old tech support habits die hard. Glad you figured it out. Just hope it isn't a proverbial house of cards that cant be changed. Ever.

[pddispatcher]

Anyone having any issues with pages not getting sent to AT&T Cell Phones?

Have no issues with Verizon or our regional carrier Bluegrass but AT&T Completely sucks!

[nick223]

i have att and mine is working great.. number@mms.att.net

[pddispatcher]

I have that. Person has AT&T with an IPHONE, doesn't get the pages on his phone by text, does receive them by email.

Not sure what is going on w/ it, have received multiple complaints of very slow receiving with ATT while the other carriers are awesome.

[aaknitt]

Originally Posted by emt036

It was random... no real rhyme or reason. Happened about half the time. V59a. It is a dedicated computer running 3 sound cards (1 internal, 2 PCI). I had the feed on the internal card and the two scanners for TTD on the PCI cards. I switched the two scanners that I have running for TTD, and the same thing happened with the 2nd scanner. So looked like a bad sound card, so I rotated them all again, and I put the feed on the potentially bad sound card, and it works just fine... Same frequencies, on the feed scanner as the paging scanners, so I have no idea why it wasn't working, and now it does, but I am going to leave it at that. Thanks for your help, trying to figure it out, but who knows - as long as it works. :-)

I have had similar strange issues when trying to run TTD on the internal card of some computers, usually Dell. Works fine on PCI and USB cards on the same computer. Something about those cheap internal cards it doesn't like, and I haven't bothered to troubleshoot since it's so easy to use a USB card.

Andy

[emt036]

Originally Posted by aaknitt

I have had similar strange issues when trying to run TTD on the internal card of some computers, usually Dell. Works fine on PCI and USB cards on the same computer. Something about those cheap internal cards it doesn't like, and I haven't bothered to troubleshoot since it's so easy to use a USB card.

Andy

Actually, I had the opposite problem - wasn't working on the Soundblaster PCI card, but is working fine on the internal card. (I also tried a cheap USB card, but then it wasn't picking up the low tones.) Who knows, as long as it is working. :-)