Zambrano throws the no no!!!

burner50 · #1 (**permalink**) 09-14-2008, 09:57 PM

Over a hundred pitches, sends down 27 batters not one hit!!!

1alpha · #2 (**permalink**) 09-14-2008, 11:08 PM

Go Rays!!!!!!!!!!!!

EJB · #3 (**permalink**) 09-15-2008, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by burner50

Over a hundred pitches, sends down 27 batters not one hit!!!

Not bad for a guy struggling with arm issues.

EJB · #4 (**permalink**) 09-15-2008, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 1alpha

Go Rays!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ohh look at that a Rays fan.

How come the Rays cant draw?

I mean they have been in first literally all year but a few weeks ago while fighting for first they barely got over 12,000 per game & 20,000 a game on average/all games.

I have heard issues that St. Pete is a dump but they used the same excuse for Montreal, I guess the Bay area is a bush league sports town when it comes to baseball. You guys draw well for football and hockey I think.

That said I hope you finish first but as a fan of the AL now I think the Red Sox will make it out of the scrum, they have every piece of the puzzle. I hope you guys sell out your playoff games.

austinscan1 · #5 (**permalink**) 09-15-2008, 09:14 AM

Congradulations Carlos and Cubbies!! The 100 year jinx is almost over, unless my METS beat you guys! Not likely.

EricCottrell · #6 (**permalink**) 09-15-2008, 10:04 AM

Hello,

The Cubs are my favorite NL Team. They started to do better when Lou became manager and I hope they get to the World Series this year. Getting Rich Harden turned out to be a great move.

73 Eric

Go-24 · #7 (**permalink**) 09-15-2008, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by EJB

Not bad for a guy struggling with arm issues.

They better hope he didnt make his arm worse ... it will be all for not.

stevecubfan · #8 (**permalink**) 09-15-2008, 04:58 PM

Zambrano a no hitter last night and Lilly a 1 hitter today. this is getting really scarey.

firefighter89 · #9 (**permalink**) 09-15-2008, 05:03 PM

Go Braves!

AEMTKieran · #10 (**permalink**) 09-15-2008, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by stevecubfan

Zambrano a no hitter last night and Lilly a 1 hitter today. this is getting really scarey.

Are you trying to tell me that....*GASP*...a pitcher actually COMPLETED A GAME?? And this happened TWO NIGHTS IN A ROW???
What IS becoming of baseball

(You old timers know what I mean by this)

N9JIG · #11 (**permalink**) 09-15-2008, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AEMTKieran

Are you trying to tell me that....*GASP*...a pitcher actually COMPLETED A GAME?? And this happened TWO NIGHTS IN A ROW???
What IS becoming of baseball

(You old timers know what I mean by this)

Actually they pulled Lilly after 7.

Complete games are a rarity these days, it wasn't that long ago that they were the rule rather than the exception. I remember Fergie getting 25 or so complete games most years, including a few that went extra innings.

1alpha · #12 (**permalink**) 09-15-2008, 07:45 PM

Go Rays baseballs # 1 team.

EJB · #13 (**permalink**) 09-15-2008, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by N9JIG

Actually they pulled Lilly after 7.

Complete games are a rarity these days, it wasn't that long ago that they were the rule rather than the exception. I remember Fergie getting 25 or so complete games most years, including a few that went extra innings.

Baseball pitchers use more energy per pitch than they did back in the day. Every pitch can be knocked out of the park nowadays. Ferguson Jenkins was a rarity, he did not play much baseball growing up and did not pitch much until the Phillies traded him to the Cubs. I bet he did not thorw a 1/100 of as many pitches as Zambrano did before the age of 25. Zambrano labours and allows a lot of walks. Jenkins was a control pitcher who beat you by alllowing ground outs and fly's.
I met him about 10 years ago at a SABR meeting. Nice guy.

That said it was fun to watch a guy like Steve Carlton take the ball and have a good chance at completing the game.

EJB · #14 (**permalink**) 09-15-2008, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AEMTKieran

Are you trying to tell me that....*GASP*...a pitcher actually COMPLETED A GAME?? And this happened TWO NIGHTS IN A ROW???
What IS becoming of baseball

(You old timers know what I mean by this)

What do you mean by that? Is 40 old enough.
I would like to think I know enough about the game myself.

WA1CRZ · #15 (**permalink**) 09-15-2008, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by N9JIG

I remember Fergie getting 25 or so complete games most years, including a few that went extra innings.

Its funny how the memory plays tricks as one gets older. Fergie Jenkins only threw 25 or more complete games TWICE in his career.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/jenkife01.shtml

rafdav · #16 (**permalink**) 09-16-2008, 04:10 AM

But I had to reread your post, "Go Rays baseballs # 1 team.", thought you wrote that baseball was #1. NFL, are you ready for some football you all?

EricCottrell · #17 (**permalink**) 09-16-2008, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AEMTKieran

Are you trying to tell me that....*GASP*...a pitcher actually COMPLETED A GAME?? And this happened TWO NIGHTS IN A ROW???
What IS becoming of baseball

(You old timers know what I mean by this)

Hello,

There are a few pitchers that still complete games. The number has been declining since the 1800s. So the 20 or more complete games per season of the 1960s and 1970s was more than today but less than in the 1880s.

Roy Halladay (Toronto) has 8 complete games this year with 39 career total.
CC Sabathia (Milwaukee) has 6 complete games this year with 25 career total.
Ben Sheets (Milwaukee) has 5 complete games this year with 18 career total.
Cliff Lee (Cleveland) has 4 complete games this year with 7 career total.

73 Eric

EJB · #18 (**permalink**) 09-16-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by EricCottrell

Hello,

There are a few pitchers that still complete games. The number has been declining since the 1800s. So the 20 or more complete games per season of the 1960s and 1970s was more than today but less than in the 1880s.

Roy Halladay (Toronto) has 8 complete games this year with 39 career total.
CC Sabathia (Milwaukee) has 6 complete games this year with 25 career total.
Ben Sheets (Milwaukee) has 5 complete games this year with 18 career total.
Cliff Lee (Cleveland) has 4 complete games this year with 7 career total.

73 Eric

Man Halladay is a pleasure to watch. Back in 2001 he had fallen so far that the Jays sent him back to A ball to relearn how to pitch. After one bad outing in relief against the R. Sox that year he has basically been the most consistent pitcher in the AL over the last 7 years. He can blow guys away with his plus fastball, he can hit 95MPH or go the ground out route and limit pitches.

I only hope he gets a chance to pitch for a Jays club that can actually beat the Yanks, or Bo Sox and those Rays.

Sabathia is a horse, had he pitched in a big market...
Sheets has amazing comtrol but has had sore health issues

Cliff Lee will win the CY Young award this yr, he was great in 05 but poor in 06-07.

EricCottrell · #19 (**permalink**) 09-17-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by EJB

Man Halladay is a pleasure to watch. Back in 2001 he had fallen so far that the Jays sent him back to A ball to relearn how to pitch. After one bad outing in relief against the R. Sox that year he has basically been the most consistent pitcher in the AL over the last 7 years. He can blow guys away with his plus fastball, he can hit 95MPH or go the ground out route and limit pitches.

I only hope he gets a chance to pitch for a Jays club that can actually beat the Yanks, or Bo Sox and those Rays.

Sabathia is a horse, had he pitched in a big market...
Sheets has amazing comtrol but has had sore health issues

Cliff Lee will win the CY Young award this yr, he was great in 05 but poor in 06-07.

Hello,

The "problem" with Halladay is he never wants to leave the game even when he is pitching poorly. This can be taken, like most anything, as a positive or a negative. Cliff Lee has a great season so far, too bad Cleveland is out of it. Yankees were a surprise as well given the great young pitchers like Kennedy, Hughes, and Chamberlain.

I was really surprised by Kazmir's "Deer in the Headlights" performance Monday. I doubt pitchers like Kazmir will have any complete games since he tends to throw a lot of pitches per inning to get strikeouts. Matsuzaka also tends to throw a lot of pitches. I like to watch Lester pitch. He is developing into a great pitcher.

September is a crazy month as we get to the wire. Are the Mets stumbling again? With a better team will the Cubs reach the World Series? Time will tell.

73 Eric

EJB · #20 (**permalink**) 09-17-2008, 10:38 AM

Halladay deserves better than what the Jays put around him.
He is making it known that at this point in his career he would like to win and who can blame him.

Kazmir & the other guys you mentioned waste pitches, i.e. they do not throw as many unhittable strikes as Halladay. Thats why they throw 100 pitches/6 innings to Halladays 110/8or9IP.

To me right now talent wise the Red Sox if Papplebon's arm is ok (his MPH is down in the low to mid 90;s from his customary 96-98) and Lowell and Ortiz can hit (Big Papi was being pitched to instead of Pedroia against Jays right handed pitching last weekend) they are the class of the AL. I think the White Sox are good, but the Angles are overrated, beating up on clubs in the leagues weakest division without a good shortstop, 2B or 3B. Their closer K-Rod often enough has trouble throwing strikes.

I hope the Cubs make it to the Series in the NL, They seem to have the depth in all areas. Their only question is Harden and Zambrano arm plus Kerry Woods inability at times to close games.