It has arrived, just as expected (Assault Weapons Ban)

[mancow]

ABC News: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban

Next: Watch for the wave of media specials that will suddenly appear.

[Ray_Air]

So the "cop-killer" bullet myth is being resurrected again?

What's a "cop-killer" bullet anyway? They don't exist in the sense they are describing them as.

[masonb]

Originally Posted by Ray_Air

So the "cop-killer" bullet myth is being resurrected again?

What's a "cop-killer" bullet anyway?

So you don't know what it is, yet you happen to recall it from before....?
Anyway there just Teflon coated. You should have googled it, first thing.....WIKI

Teflon coated bullet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Ray_Air]

Originally Posted by masonb

So you don't know what it is, yet you happen to recall it from before....?
Anyway there just Teflon coated. You should have googled it, first thing.....WIKI

Teflon coated bullet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just because a bullet is coated with teflon doesn't mean anything, teflon will not make a bullet penetrate any armor. The only reason a bullet would be coated with teflon would be because it is made of a harder material such as steel rather than brass. The harder material allowed the bullet greater penetration, however those bullets (AP) have already been illegal for quite some time. The teflon was used to prevent damage to the gun barrel.

"cop killer" bullets are a MYTH. They don't exist for civilians. You can't buy them.

Idiots trying to pass "cop killer" bullet bans don't know what they are talking about. They think you can just go up to Wal Mart and buy some.

[Ray_Air]

Originally Posted by masonb

So you don't know what it is, yet you happen to recall it from before....?
Anyway there just Teflon coated. You should have googled it, first thing.....WIKI

Teflon coated bullet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just because a bullet is coated with teflon doesn't mean anything, teflon will not make a bullet penetrate any armor. The only reason a bullet would be coated with teflon would be because it is made of a harder material such as steel rather than brass. The harder material allowed the bullet greater penetration, however those bullets (AP) have already been illegal for quite some time. The teflon was used to prevent damage to the gun barrel.

"cop killer" bullets are a MYTH. They don't exist for civilians.

And assault weapons bans won't do much. Hell, some idiot could take out a SWAT team with a 12ga loaded with slugs.

[hoser147]

I like the related stories to the side, sounds like the Mexican Police/military should buy some American firearms.

[mdulrich]

Originally Posted by mancow

ABC News: Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban

Next: Watch for the wave of media specials that will suddenly appear.

It already started last night. NBC did a story about the out-of-control drug cartels in Mexico and how their violence is spilling over into the US. I wondered why they are finally covering something that has been going on for quite some time. And then it came, how they were getting their guns from US gunshows. Story was designed as anti-gun propaganda.

Mike

[Thayne]

Originally Posted by Ray_Air

Just because a bullet is coated with teflon doesn't mean anything, teflon will not make a bullet penetrate any armor. The only reason a bullet would be coated with teflon would be because it is made of a harder material such as steel rather than brass. The harder material allowed the bullet greater penetration, however those bullets (AP) have already been illegal for quite some time. The teflon was used to prevent damage to the gun barrel.

"cop killer" bullets are a MYTH. They don't exist for civilians.

And assault weapons bans won't do much. Hell, some idiot could take out a SWAT team with a 12ga loaded with slugs.

Ray Air; you are really showing your ignorance more than usual as far as this thread--What if you cause Njay to kick in again?---

[Ray_Air]

Originally Posted by Thayne

Ray Air; you are really showing your ignorance more than usual as far as this thread--What if you cause Njay to kick in again?---

IGNORANCE???

Cop killer bullets are B.S= NO SUCH THING AVAILABLE TO CIVILIANS Mr. Ted Kennedy

[Ray_Air]

Originally Posted by Thayne

Ray Air; you are really showing your ignorance more than usual as far as this thread--What if you cause Njay to kick in again?---

What happened to my dear friend N_Jay? What do you mean by "kick-in"?


COP KILLER BULLETS ARE A MYTH:
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvcopk.html

Somebodies been watching Lethal Weapon 2 too much. Just because it is in the movies, doesn't exactly make it real, just FYI.

[PHOENIX_SCANNER]

There was ammo with tungsten carbide bullets coated with teflon available for sale back in the early 90's. A friend had some in .357 mag I believe. The bullets were harder than most steel, and pointed to a needle point. They punched clean holes in 1/4" plate steel. I wish I could remember the brand, I used to know it, foreign made. You can't get them anymore.

However, hold a magnet up to the bullet of most rounds of 7.62x39 sold at the local gun show and you will see they are still steel core, even though they are not supposed to be. A steel core AK slug will go through a cop and his body armor like a hot knife through butter. So there are plenty of "cop killer" bullets out there, stuffed in 30 round magazines no less. Anyone with access to a lathe can turn their own mild steel handgun bullets that just barely engage the lands, and though not really accurate, they will defeat body armor and shields. Just turn them and load them in a handloading press. There are so many way to come up with something that would qualify as a "cop killer" including just buying an old 30-06 rifle and stuffing some 180 grain loads in it.

As far as "assault weapons", they have been restricted for decades. A real "assault weapon" has full auto capability, and you can't buy those everywhere like their semi-auto clones, and you need a special federal license and a boatload of cash to pick one up. When these liberal clowns talk about "assault weapons" they are just plain LYING.

And are you telling me that a 15 round magazine promotes a cafeteria massacre more than a pocket full of ten round mags does? I would say that a determined killer with a revolver and a coat pocket full of speedloaders or a pump shotgun with a pocket full of buckshot loads could do a massacre easily, no need for a 20 round 9mm pistol.

All of this is just a smokescreen. These actions are just the first small steps down the slippery slope towards gun bans.

Step one: Restrict ownership to every gun you can.
Step two: Register every remaining gun.
Step three: Confiscate those guns that were registered.

We are still in phase one right now.

[Ray_Air]

Originally Posted by PHOENIX_SCANNER

There was ammo with tungsten carbide bullets coated with teflon available for sale back in the early 90's. A friend had some in .357 mag I believe. The bullets were harder than most steel, and pointed to a needle point. They punched clean holes in 1/4" plate steel. I wish I could remember the brand, I used to know it, foreign made. You can't get them anymore.

However, hold a magnet up to the bullet of most rounds of 7.62x39 sold at the local gun show and you will see they are still steel core, even though they are not supposed to be. A steel core AK slug will go through a cop and his body armor like a hot knife through butter. So there are plenty of "cop killer" bullets out there, stuffed in 30 round magazines no less. Anyone with access to a lathe can turn their own mild steel handgun bullets that just barely engage the lands, and though not really accurate, they will defeat body armor and shields. Just turn them and load them in a handloading press. There are so many way to come up with something that would qualify as a "cop killer" including just buying an old 30-06 rifle and stuffing some 180 grain loads in it.

As far as "assault weapons", they have been restricted for decades. A real "assault weapon" has full auto capability, and you can't buy those everywhere like their semi-auto clones, and you need a special federal license and a boatload of cash to pick one up. When these liberal clowns talk about "assault weapons" they are just plain LYING.

And are you telling me that a 15 round magazine promotes a cafeteria massacre more than a pocket full of ten round mags does? I would say that a determined killer with a revolver and a coat pocket full of speedloaders or a pump shotgun with a pocket full of buckshot loads could do a massacre easily, no need for a 20 round 9mm pistol.

All of this is just a smokescreen. These actions are just the first small steps down the slippery slope towards gun bans.

Step one: Restrict ownership to every gun you can.
Step two: Register every remaining gun.
Step three: Confiscate those guns that were registered.

We are still in phase one right now.

Any high powered rifle will make butter of soft body armor. My 30-30 would blow through a 3A vest with off the shelf ammo from Meijer's.

[W8OSP]

Yup the gun community is going nuts right now. This will even spike more scare buying then ever before. Ammo and guns will be selling like there is no tomorrow(which might be)!! This is going to get very very bad!

[PHOENIX_SCANNER]

Originally Posted by Ray_Air

Any high powered rifle will make butter of soft body armor. My 30-30 would blow through a 3A vest with off the shelf ammo from Meijer's.

It depends on the armor. I am talkiing about the few cops that wear the good vests (Level III).

Some smart cops shoulder the burden of a level III vest these days, for good reason, despite the weight and the heat trapping aspects.

Level IIIA which the majority still wear will be defeated by a 7.62 lead core and probably by a .30-30, but keep in mind a .30-30 had to be of a round nose profile because it uses an "in-line" magazine design and you can't have spitzer bullets up against primers in a rifle's tube magazine. Because of this a .30-30 doesn't have much left after going through a IIIA vest. It would NOT go through and through, and though it might get past the first layer it wouldn't have much left and the cop might well survive.

A level III vest will stop a .30-30, or an lead core 7.62 round, but WILL NOT stop a steel core 7.62 bullet or a tungsten carbide magnum handgun bullet. This is really what I am talking about. I am talking about rounds that will defeat the good stuff, for those who are willing to wear it.

Steel core rifle bullets take things to another level entirely, as do tungsten carbide magnum handgun rounds with pointed profiles. They will both defeat level III armor.

Level four armor will stop them, but that is heavy duty stuff with a trauma plate worn only in combat zones. You won't be fitting that under a police uniform, it is for external wear only.

So what I am talking about are loads that leave a cop defenseless under all circumstances. Those are in the strictest sense "cop killer" loads.

Originally Posted by W8OSP

Yup the gun community is going nuts right now. This will even spike more scare buying then ever before. Ammo and guns will be selling like there is no tomorrow(which might be)!! This is going to get very very bad!

Nah, the gun community started going nuts three months ago when Obama won. I haven't been able to casually enjoy a gun show since. They are packed elbows to assh*#*$ from start to finish. But most like me were already "set" years ago with our semi-auto "assault rifle" a good semi-auto tube magazine shotgun, and a few high-capacity handguns for good measure. I even made sure to be extra politically incorrect by buying 100 round drum magazines and a 2x dot scope for the AK, as well as 30 and 30 round mags for the high cap handguns. Everything I pick up beyond that is just gravy.

As a matter of fact most of that stuff just sits in the safe in favor of my Sig P220 .45 most of the time anyway. But the great thing about guns is that they are just like gold. They seldom depreciate, and can be cashed in for full value at a moment's notice if you really want to.

[rickak]

Story seems to be getting a cold reception on capitol hill:

TheHill.com - Pelosi throws cold water on weapons ban

[poltergeisty]

Oh, Banana loving hypocrite Holder, saying that we are part of Mexico's problem?

When does the madness end! Here in the U.S that is.

Firedoglake » Eric Holder. Lawyer For The Death Squad Terrorists’ Paymasters: Our Next Attorney General?

[TXFirefighter112]

Originally Posted by rickak

Story seems to be getting a cold reception on capitol hill:

TheHill.com - Pelosi throws cold water on weapons ban

Holy crap! I did not see that coming...she is either lying or has been abducted and replaced by an imposter

[MOTOROLANUT]

Don't worry about Nancy Pelosi, I am sure that she, Diane Feinstein and Charles Schumer have much bigger plans for a full onslaught on the 2nd Amendment planned for later date in this administration...

[TXFirefighter112]

Originally Posted by MOTOROLANUT

Don't worry about Nancy Pelosi, I am sure that she, Diane Feinstein and Charles Schumer have much bigger plans for a full onslaught on the 2nd Amendment planned for later date in this administration...

You're probably right. Most likely it is a ruse to get us to let our guard down. I have no intention of doing that, but how many others have read that and will never follow up because they are now reassured?


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[Ray_Air]

Originally Posted by PHOENIX_SCANNER

It depends on the armor. I am talkiing about the few cops that wear the good vests (Level III).

Some smart cops shoulder the burden of a level III vest these days, for good reason, despite the weight and the heat trapping aspects.

Level IIIA which the majority still wear will be defeated by a 7.62 lead core and probably by a .30-30, but keep in mind a .30-30 had to be of a round nose profile because it uses an "in-line" magazine design and you can't have spitzer bullets up against primers in a rifle's tube magazine. Because of this a .30-30 doesn't have much left after going through a IIIA vest. It would NOT go through and through, and though it might get past the first layer it wouldn't have much left and the cop might well survive.

A level III vest will stop a .30-30, or an lead core 7.62 round, but WILL NOT stop a steel core 7.62 bullet or a tungsten carbide magnum handgun bullet. This is really what I am talking about. I am talking about rounds that will defeat the good stuff, for those who are willing to wear it.

Steel core rifle bullets take things to another level entirely, as do tungsten carbide magnum handgun rounds with pointed profiles. They will both defeat level III armor.

Level four armor will stop them, but that is heavy duty stuff with a trauma plate worn only in combat zones. You won't be fitting that under a police uniform, it is for external wear only.

So what I am talking about are loads that leave a cop defenseless under all circumstances. Those are in the strictest sense "cop killer" loads.



Nah, the gun community started going nuts three months ago when Obama won. I haven't been able to casually enjoy a gun show since. They are packed elbows to assh*#*$ from start to finish. But most like me were already "set" years ago with our semi-auto "assault rifle" a good semi-auto tube magazine shotgun, and a few high-capacity handguns for good measure. I even made sure to be extra politically incorrect by buying 100 round drum magazines and a 2x dot scope for the AK, as well as 30 and 30 round mags for the high cap handguns. Everything I pick up beyond that is just gravy.

As a matter of fact most of that stuff just sits in the safe in favor of my Sig P220 .45 most of the time anyway. But the great thing about guns is that they are just like gold. They seldom depreciate, and can be cashed in for full value at a moment's notice if you really want to.

Level 3 armor and higher is considered hard armor. No patrol cops would be wearing it. Hard armor is the ceramic plates worn in those additional vests that go over soft body armor. Those 5x8 panels in soft body are mostly for trauma plates, however Second Chance used to take some better plates for those. I think they were called the K-30 or T-15. That however, is NOT a rifle plate and I would not bet my life that it would stop a 30-30 even if a Level 3A was backing it up.

I may just have to pick up an assault rifle myself if they set a ban date. However I already a 30-30, 30-06, 12ga, Sig Pro 2340, XD-9 & a Bersa .380.