GM Workers Strike

[hoser147]

Fox news is Reporting a Nationwide Strike by General Motors employees, members of the United Auto Workers if you have a plant near you might want to see if there is any action goin on...............Hoser147

[Piston52Heavy]

I live north of Detroit. I would think there will be some activity.

[WA1CRZ]

Doesnt affect me, I only buy Toyota

[rabidjade]

Great, another overpaid, underworked union crying again. If my company had $51 billion in present/future medical costs to cover, they would be screaming.

[elk2370bruce]

Sorry to hear about it. Workers on the line are not paid and still have mouths to feed and homes/mortages that come due every month. In the long run, it is the little guy who will suffer the most.

[Viper43]

Originally Posted by elk2370bruce

Sorry to hear about it. Workers on the line are not paid and still have mouths to feed and homes/mortages that come due every month. In the long run, it is the little guy who will suffer the most.

uhhhhh??????? They are not paid??? Well no they do not get paid by going on strike, in fact, there are plenty of AMERICANS willing to step in and take their jobs. GM should fire everyone who strikes and hire those WILLING to work. Those who want to keep their jobs will cross the lines. Maybe when the strikers are out of work they will realize that loosing a few benefits wasn't worth loosing their homes and so forth. There are plenty of unemployed auto workers who want those jobs, even with lower benefits.....fire em!

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[bpckty1]

OK, they went on strike. Now, let's see how long the strike lasts.

For example, awhile back, one of my college business profs "ran the numbers" when the striking local bus company's drivers went back to work. They were out about 6 weeks when the company "gave" the drivers the 5 cents per hour pay raise they demanded.

If you figured the time lost with no pay and the 3 year term of the new contract, the drivers' new salary equalled approximately what they would have earned had they had not gone on strike. So, nothing was really gained by the drivers' striking. Just a bit of worry that some would be evicted from their apartments or face foreclosure, not be able to buy enough food (since their annual salary put them above the food stamp level), not being able to pay their car notes, etc. And, plenty of face time on the "If it beeds, it leads" newscasts.

[elk2370bruce]

Originally Posted by Viper43

uhhhhh??????? They are not paid??? Well no they do not get paid by going on strike, in fact, there are plenty of AMERICANS willing to step in and take their jobs. GM should fire everyone who strikes and hire those WILLING to work. Those who want to keep their jobs will cross the lines. Maybe when the strikers are out of work they will realize that loosing a few benefits wasn't worth loosing their homes and so forth. There are plenty of unemployed auto workers who want those jobs, even with lower benefits.....fire em!

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Which is it. You contradict yourself in the first two sentences. Either they are paid their salaries while they are on strike or they don't. The fact remains that the Unions get the bucks and the power trip and the individual worker gets squat and, in the long run loses.
Your union-busting view went out of style with Tony Boyle's UMW and Francis Quill's TWU.
Maybe it was you who ordered the troops to fire on the Bonus Army vets at the end of WWI. Ronnie Reagan and Dickie Nixon anti-labor efforts too liberal for you?

[madnachos]

My Wife has a family member who makes almost $65K a year to put emblems on the back of GM cars. He firmly believes that he should actually be paid more. Seriously. I have little sympathy for people who price themselves out of a job. You don't scream for more benefits and pay when your employer is losing money hand over fist....at least not if you want a job a few years down the road.

[mylt1]

most unions have accounts to help cover some lost pay for there members. it has a limit but they are still getting paid just not from GM. unions had there advantages back when they were formed but one there job was done they got greedy and continued to push. that is one of the reasons imports are so popular. you get the same options in a more reliable car without having to pay for a union.

[Viper43]

Originally Posted by elk2370bruce

Which is it. You contradict yourself in the first two sentences. Either they are paid their salaries while they are on strike or they don't. The fact remains that the Unions get the bucks and the power trip and the individual worker gets squat and, in the long run loses.
Your union-busting view went out of style with Tony Boyle's UMW and Francis Quill's TWU.
Maybe it was you who ordered the troops to fire on the Bonus Army vets at the end of WWI. Ronnie Reagan and Dickie Nixon anti-labor efforts too liberal for you?

Nothing contradictory, you just have to learn to read.....I know it's difficult, but hey, give it a try, you may figure it out, but you have to take it as it was meant.... probably above your simple mind though....

As for my "union busting views"... lol, no, I just feel they are overpaid crybabies who do not take into account the FACTS of todays America. Daily jobs are lost in all forms of business in this country because of jobs going elsewhere in the world. Our economy sucks, yet they want more, and ultimately that WILL cost them their jobs. Meanwhile, there are literally hundreds of thousands of Amercans including auto workers who NEED jobs, and since these morons think they would be better off striking, fine, FIRE them and let those who are willing to work for little less in benefits do the work and screw those who refuse to cross the lines. I know there are several hundred people in Anderson, Kokomo and New Castle Indiana willing to take their places.....

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[madnachos]

Originally Posted by mylt1

most unions have accounts to help cover some lost pay for there members. it has a limit but they are still getting paid just not from GM. unions had there advantages back when they were formed but one there job was done they got greedy and continued to push. that is one of the reasons imports are so popular. you get the same options in a more reliable car without having to pay for a union.

I agree.

A really big reason for the success of the Asian auto manufacturers (quality aside) is that they are not 'top heavy'. The president of Toyota (at least as of about 6 years ago) only made about $300K a year while the heads of US automakers make tens of millions (or more). Remember back when Chrysler was in the red for slightly less then Lee Iacocca's ridiculous salary? That is the real problem. I just never understood how these guys justified their bloated salary while the companies were taking a beating from the competition.

[madnachos]

Originally Posted by Viper43

Our economy sucks

Wow. Thats the craziest comment I have seen on RR in a long time.

Got many investments? Follow the market at all? I do. All is well.

[Viper43]

Originally Posted by madnachos

Wow. Thats the craziest comment I have seen on RR in a long time.

Got many investments? Follow the market at all? I do. All is well.

Obviously you do not understand the American economic system. If it's so good then why are they having to lower interest rates, and why is the dollar plunging? Obviously there are ssrerious issues with the economy when people are losing their homes and more and more jobs are heading overseas, or to Mexico.
Your like the government who claims unemployment is low. Sure, the numbers of NEW unemployed may be low, but the real numbers of out of work Americans is higher than any time in history, of course the government won't give you the "real numbers". The same goes for investments, some are doing fine, others suck..... By your math the country is fine, but by the REAL math the country is in dire straights. Just ask the 2 million about to loose their homes how good the economy is. Just drive around Central Indiana, ther are more homes for sale than ever, no one wants to buy because of a faltering economy and the highest property tax increases in history. People on ficxed incomes are hurt the worst, but then you give a damn because your numbers "look good", try returning to reality.... look at the real numbers, not the governments numbers and you will see the real story.

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[Utah_Viper]

Originally Posted by madnachos

Wow. Thats the craziest comment I have seen on RR in a long time.

Got many investments? Follow the market at all? I do. All is well.

Thats the most insane thing I have seen said on RR in a long time. Great the Stock Market is artificially high, and those with enough money to have investments have them. Everyday middle wage people though are getting to where they cant barley afford rent and food. I had to quit a job since the price of gas was to much to make working there work out.

[Viper43]

Originally Posted by Utah_Viper

Thats the most insane thing I have seen said on RR in a long time. Great the Stock Market is artificially high, and those with enough money to have investments have them. Everyday middle wage people though are getting to where they cant barley afford rent and food. I had to quit a job since the price of gas was to much to make working there work out.

Exactly, this guy obviously doesn't understand the differene between the real world and wonder land, and the real world is where most of America lives, barely making ends meet, and thats the middle class, think about those below that.... and they wonder why crime rates are so high.... steal or starve, and if they get caught, well at least it's three hots and cot..... unfortunately it's the middle class that ends up a double victim, being the crime victim, then having to support the criminal in jail as the rich buy their way out of paying taxes... great system!

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[madnachos]

Originally Posted by Viper43

Exactly, this guy obviously doesn't understand the differene between the real world and wonder land, and the real world is where most of America lives, barely making ends meet, and thats the middle class, think about those below that.... and they wonder why crime rates are so high.... steal or starve, and if they get caught, well at least it's three hots and cot..... unfortunately it's the middle class that ends up a double victim, being the crime victim, then having to support the criminal in jail as the rich buy their way out of paying taxes... great system!

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Numbers dont lie. Check your *facts* not your pipe.

[mylt1]

Originally Posted by madnachos

Numbers dont lie. Check your *facts* not your pipe.

just give up. he doesnt listen even when confronted with facts. its not worth the head ache. he believes what he wants and that isnt always the truth.

[madnachos]

Originally Posted by mylt1

just give up. he doesnt listen even when confronted with facts. its not worth the head ache. he believes what he wants and that isnt always the truth.

Yea...I am done here. I did not spend years school studying economics to argue the fine points with someone on RR ;-)

[Viper43]

your the ones believing BS numbers and NOT the real numbers, don't blame me because I am informed and you want to listen to and believe the BS the government spews. The real world is where I live, and the real world America is in deep crap financialy and economicaly. The numbers the government gives look good, but do not count 99% of the the unemployed in the country. They are not on unemployment lists as their unemployment benefits ran out so they no longer count.... the truth hurts... so deal with it...

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