NXDN/TRBO Agencies

[N_Jay]

Originally Posted by hulio

so with a uniden 996T I can decode those transmission? How do you know it is this format? Does it say in the FCC data base. Does that mean it is encryted?

If it is MotoTRBO, NO.
Listen to it, and then find a sample of known MotoTRBO to listen to.
No, the FCC does not list format.
No, it does not mean it is encrypted, but it could be.

[SlGlNT]

MotoTRBO
WQLA772 – Blue Cross Blue Shield of TN (Hamilton County)
KSO685 – City Of Lawrenceburg (Trunked)

[hulio]

Is there anything in the Cleveland area with this format of MOTOTRB ??I am gonna try and plug in the BCBS and see what it sounds like.

[rg65]

Originally Posted by N_Jay

Any links or other supporting information?

Which particular models?

Why is it not listed as a feature?

Would it not invalidate the FCC certification since they are not shown as approved?

I think they are just behind in updating the website. Here is a link to the new NX210: Kenwood - NX-210

There is a document in the secure dealer site, but it has dealer costs on it so I cannot post it.

However, the user price of the upgrade is $ 792

[N_Jay]

Originally Posted by rg65

I think they are just behind in updating the website. Here is a link to the new NX210: Kenwood - NX-210

There is a document in the secure dealer site, but it has dealer costs on it so I cannot post it.

However, the user price of the upgrade is $ 792

Cool.
You learn something new every day.

I wonder if it was built to have that feature, or if they figured out after design that they can do the update.

Any indication that it applies to any models besides the NX-210?

[radiofan1]

P25 Downgrade Option*

[jimg]

Originally Posted by SlGlNT

MotoTRBO
WQLA772 – Blue Cross Blue Shield of TN (Hamilton County)
KSO685 – City Of Lawrenceburg (Trunked)

Does this mean that you can no longer monitor Lawrenceburg?

[SlGlNT]

Originally Posted by jimg

Does this mean that you can no longer monitor Lawrenceburg?

When MotoTRBO is used you will not be able to monitor them with a scanner. I would keep trying to monitor them until someone can confirm that they have made the switch.

[rg65]

Originally Posted by N_Jay

Cool.
You learn something new every day.

I wonder if it was built to have that feature, or if they figured out after design that they can do the update.

Any indication that it applies to any models besides the NX-210?

It applies to the NX200, NX210, NX300, NX700, NX800

[N_Jay]

Originally Posted by rg65

It applies to the NX200, NX210, NX300, NX700, NX800

I will have to ask them, Only the NX-210 shows on eth web site.

[jimg]

Originally Posted by SlGlNT

When MotoTRBO is used you will not be able to monitor them with a scanner. I would keep trying to monitor them until someone can confirm that they have made the switch.

I rarely go to Lawrenceburg, but if I'm in the area, I would like to be able to monitor them. How does the MotoTRBO prevent a scanner from receiving the signal? Is it because it is a different format from P25?

[N_Jay]

Originally Posted by jimg

I rarely go to Lawrenceburg, but if I'm in the area, I would like to be able to monitor them. How does the MotoTRBO prevent a scanner from receiving the signal? Is it because it is a different format from P25?

DING, DING, DING, We have a winner.

It is a different format.
It uses a (slightly) different modulation.
It uses a different vocoder.
AND
It uses a VERY different channel coding.

It is like trying to read Chinese with a Polish dictionary.

[hcpholder]

There are many communicatins here. It's hard to keep up with the MotoTRBO site listings. Is there anywhere in the database that is keeping up with this?

[N_Jay]

Maybe a Mod will separate this into two threads.
1) MotoTRBO agencies
2) Understanding MotoTRBO

[JRayfield]

Can this radio be upgraded (converted) to P25 conventional only or P25 trunking as well?

John

Originally Posted by rg65

I think they are just behind in updating the website. Here is a link to the new NX210: Kenwood - NX-210

There is a document in the secure dealer site, but it has dealer costs on it so I cannot post it.

However, the user price of the upgrade is $ 792

[JRayfield]

I think this is a good idea. I've seen some comments regarding MotoTRBO that aren't 100% correct (for example, that it's proprietary to Motorola), and a section on Understanding MotoTRBO would be a good place for accurate information to be posted.

John

Originally Posted by N_Jay

Maybe a Mod will separate this into two threads.
1) MotoTRBO agencies
2) Understanding MotoTRBO

[iamhere300]

Originally Posted by JRayfield

Can this radio be upgraded (converted) to P25 conventional only or P25 trunking as well?

John

John,

I had lost this thread, but finally came back across it. Glad to see someone else posted the verification of the 210.

When this was originally posted on PWF, I "believe" that the trunking option was not going to be there for
P25 operation. It might be on the archives there.

[N_Jay]

Originally Posted by JRayfield

I think this is a good idea. I've seen some comments regarding MotoTRBO that aren't 100% correct (for example, that it's proprietary to Motorola), and a section on Understanding MotoTRBO would be a good place for accurate information to be posted.

John

And then we see people trying to "correct" facts that are not wrong.

MotoTRBO is proprietary to Motorola (at least at this time).
It is based on a standard, but;
1) The standard was not complete
2) No one else builds anything to that standard
3) If you were to build to the standard it probably would not interoperate with MotoTRBO

[JRayfield]

1. I believe the standard is complete. I've downloaded it from the ETSI website.

2. Just because no one else is building a compatible product doesn't make it 'proprietary'. At one time, only one manufactuerer built P25 radios (there had to be a 'first'). That didn't make P25 'proprietary'. At this time, Tait is licensed to build MotoTRBO equipment and there is a company in Europe building MotoTRBO compatible repeaters.

3. Your statement "probably would not interoperate with MotoTRBO" is an assumption (that is not correct - as proven by the fact that another company builds a repeater that is compatible).

John

Originally Posted by N_Jay

And then we see people trying to "correct" facts that are not wrong.

MotoTRBO is proprietary to Motorola (at least at this time).
It is based on a standard, but;
1) The standard was not complete
2) No one else builds anything to that standard
3) If you were to build to the standard it probably would not interoperate with MotoTRBO

[N_Jay]

I have also look at the specification , but not recently.

Do you have a link to this second source or the TAIT information?