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FDs all around the country use P25 systems but are still paged out on analog pagers. That alone is not reason enough to say they won't go to TACN. They may not but it's plenty reasonable to say they could and keep their Minitors. Or get Unications.
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We may see or may not see changes to AMR and Rural/Metro. Envision has sold AMR to Air Medical Group Holdings, which also owns Lifeguard Ambulance. From what I have heard, their approach to radios are slightly different.
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Anderson County's getting more sites???

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More freqs. Which means additional users in future.
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Regarding Knox county it's made national news: https://www.wsj.com/articles/want-to...s&page=1&pos=1

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It seems several counties around Knoxville are on TACN. Is there a reason Monroe is not for some reason and is it possible it is due to costs.
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It seems several counties around Knoxville are on TACN. Is there a reason Monroe is not for some reason and is it possible it is due to costs.
They are actually in the process of going to a DMR radio system. Sweetwater police department has already been using DMR off and on. McMinn County agencies has also been changing over to TACN.
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It seems several counties around Knoxville are on TACN. Is there a reason Monroe is not for some reason and is it possible it is due to costs.

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They are actually in the process of going to a DMR radio system. Sweetwater police department has already been using DMR off and on. McMinn County agencies has also been changing over to TACN.

For Monroe County to come onboard the TACN system, it would be a bit costly, but nothing terribly substantial. TACN is already in the county and used by state law enforcement agencies. Coming on board, Monroe County would have a system which works, and functions well. They may need another repeater in the Coker Creek / Skyway area, but I don’t see that being too much of an issue.

The problem with Monroe County going to DMR is interoperability. With other agencies using TACN and Monroe County on DMR, the two different types of digital communications are not compatible. This means agencies outside Monroe County will have to find other means of contacting Monroe County, such as analog channels. Likewise, if Monroe County leaves their county to give assistance to a county on the TACN system, they will have to find other means of communication because their DMR equipment will not function on TACN systems.

Monroe County is taking the cheapest path in regards to their radio system. Cheapest is not always better, though. I am not a fan of Motorola, but their TACN system is pretty impressive, and gives a lot in the ways of reliability and interoperability. Monroe County is separating themselves apart from other counties. Where TACN users can leave their jurisdiction and still have radio service throughout the area, if users in Monroe County get far enough away, they lose radio service. This is a big issue with mutual aid responses, pursuits, prisoner transports, etc. The last thing any person wants is to lose the lifeline to help when they need it most.

Those are my thoughts on the matter. In the positive corner for Monroe County’s DMR, I can say they are building a great system for the amount of money they are spending. I suspect it will work well for the agencies in the county. Mutual aid is not needed all the time, so it’s possible interoperability may not be an issue for them.
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And you can not get grants thru US DHS or FEMA for an DMR system, and if you go with a Motorola DMR SMR TRS, and it was sold to you by a local radio shop.. That RS will LOSE its accreditation with Motorola Solutions and bye bye availability of Public Safety gear etc. Motorola Solutions will NO LONGER play nice with local Radio Shops that run SMRs and push PS users on the SMR. See ComSouth in MS for the proof of that. And as for interop... Unless you have an multi band multi mode radio system that can do DMR and TACN, and you have BOTH systems programmed in it, your SOL on that end, unless you use the UTNMA, VTNMA, 8TNMA, or 7TNMA or the like and hope the TACN guy will drop out to go to them for YOU......
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Yup just ask the West Tn dealer that lost his Motorola Dealership.
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And you can not get grants thru US DHS or FEMA for an DMR system, and if you go with a Motorola DMR SMR TRS, and it was sold to you by a local radio shop.. That RS will LOSE its accreditation with Motorola Solutions and bye bye availability of Public Safety gear etc. Motorola Solutions will NO LONGER play nice with local Radio Shops that run SMRs and push PS users on the SMR. See ComSouth in MS for the proof of that. And as for interop... Unless you have an multi band multi mode radio system that can do DMR and TACN, and you have BOTH systems programmed in it, your SOL on that end, unless you use the UTNMA, VTNMA, 8TNMA, or 7TNMA or the like and hope the TACN guy will drop out to go to them for YOU......

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Yup just ask the West Tn dealer that lost his Motorola Dealership.

I wonder if there is a clause in their contract which prohibits dealers selling DMR systems to public safety agencies. I know Motorola makes less money on DMR systems versus P25 systems.
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In this case a P25 System was bid not by the local shop and the local shop stepped in and sold a DMR system.
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I wonder if there is a clause in their contract which prohibits dealers selling DMR systems to public safety agencies. I know Motorola makes less money on DMR systems versus P25 systems.
Only if its an SMR or an actual violation of certain contractual issues AFAIK.... An Dealer that is running an SMR system automatically has an Conflict Of Interest issue and an questionable ethics issue if they push an Public Safety Agency onto the SMR that THEY run. Motorola Solutions has finally stepped up to the plate on this. Now if Kenwoof/EFJ and iCOM America were doing this also, ESPECIALLY in TN, I think you would see at least 2 counties where things would be VERY different as to how radio systems went!

Also again: An Public Safety Agency that chooses to go to DMR or NXDN and NOT P25,... Loses any hope of getting future grants from Feds thru US DHS and FEMA for radio system improvements. (And I am surprised that the ones that used grants gained previously to do so are not in jeopardy of legal action. Then again, that could be on the plate in the future.)
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Only if its an SMR or an actual violation of certain contractual issues AFAIK.... An Dealer that is running an SMR system automatically has an Conflict Of Interest issue and an questionable ethics issue if they push an Public Safety Agency onto the SMR that THEY run. Motorola Solutions has finally stepped up to the plate on this. Now if Kenwoof/EFJ and iCOM America were doing this also, ESPECIALLY in TN, I think you would see at least 2 counties where things would be VERY different as to how radio systems went!

Also again: An Public Safety Agency that chooses to go to DMR or NXDN and NOT P25,... Loses any hope of getting future grants from Feds thru US DHS and FEMA for radio system improvements. (And I am surprised that the ones that used grants gained previously to do so are not in jeopardy of legal action. Then again, that could be on the plate in the future.)

A lot of Sevier County is on NXDN. But after the fires in the National Forest and Gatlinburg, I imagine they could string lines and tin cans and continue to receive federal grants.

But yes you are correct, the federal government generally tends to enforce grant restrictions.
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Sevier County is on a NXDN system not DMR.

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Sevier County is on a NXDN system not DMR.

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A lot of Sevier County is on NXDN. But after the fires in the National Forest and Gatlinburg, I imagine they could string lines and tin cans and continue to receive federal grants.

But yes you are correct, the federal government generally tends to enforce grant restrictions.
Seveir is currently pure NexEDGE TRS for County, fully E. And it is an SMR deal! They have begun prep to build out an P25 TRS, and have the lic for it. Unknown as to how long this will take to complete, or who has the contract. I will have to do some digging. But if its the same slick back room good ole boy system with the SO and the local Radio Shop it will be an EFJ/Kenwood system...
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Pardon my ignorance but...someone care to say what SMR stands for? Probably obvious but I'm not getting it...
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