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Old 10-16-2011, 11:43 PM
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Is a BCT15 capable of scanning this system? I read somewhere about there being a firmware update for the scanner but I dont know if my scanner already has this firmware or not. Im pretty sure I dont have this system programmed correctly though, because I never hear any transmissions on it except for some random chatter here & there, and whenever TGID for Beaumont FD 1 or 2 comes up I only hear the control channel from the system.

One interesting thing about this is that I am in Orange so I also have the OC system programmed in, and I hear that just fine. But I hear Acadian Ambulance dispatch to cities all over Jefferson County on the Orange County system. I never hear any of the units responding because they are transmitting on the Jefferson County system. So it seems that dispatch is transmitting on both systems simultaneously.

Basically my two questions are:

1) How do I know if my BCT15 has the firmware for rebanding?
2) How do I program this system into my scanner? Are all 3 sites necessary?

As I was about to post my reply, Groves FD just dispatched for a fire alarm and I heard that plain as day. So something is programmed right it seems...but why is Beaumont FD only coming across as the control channel?
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Old 10-17-2011, 6:22 AM
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The Uniden BCT15 scanner is not capable of monitoring P-25 digital signals. All of the Beaumont Fire talkgroups that are being used are P-25 digital, what your actually are hearing is the binary code of the P-25 digital signal. In other words it's not the control channel that your hearing. The reason why you can pick up the Orange County System and Groves Fire Dept is that both are analog.

In order for you to be able to pick up the P-25 signals, you will have to purchase a digital scanner. Last year around Christmas, Radio Shack put there digital scanners on sell. They may do it this Christmas as well. Just and ideal. Enjoy and have a good one.

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Old 10-17-2011, 9:53 AM
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Thanks! I didnt see that they were digital lol
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Old 07-11-2014, 9:59 AM
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Hello, I am new to this area and to the newer scanners ( BCD546) I have read some comments online about that scanner not being able to get clear reception because of the simulcast broadcasting. I did some research and found that the FCC gave the county new channels and towers. I have had some problems getting good reception here also. The scanner was great in New Orleans but it is not clear in this area. Does anyone have advise for re-programing this scanner. Thanks, Zef See below.

Before the
Federal Communications Commission
Washington, D.C. 20554
In Federal Communications Commission DA 11-1234the Matter of
Request for Waiver
File No. 0004431564
Adopted: July 25, 2011 Released: July 25, 2011
By the Deputy Chief, Policy and Licensing Division, Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau:
1. We have before us an application filed by the City of Beaumont, Texas (Beaumont)
seeking authority to expand its public safety land mobile operations on frequency 854.3625 MHz as part
of a shared regional simulcast system.1 Beaumont seeks a waiver in order to use this frequency at two
new sites prior to Sprint Nextel Corp. (Sprint) vacating this channel in NPSPAC Region 51, and
becoming available for public safety use. For the reasons discussed herein, we grant Beaumont’s waiver
2. Beaumont operates public safety trunked station WPMG304 at several locations in
Jefferson County, TX.2 In 2009, Beaumont added frequency 854.3625 MHz to call sign WPMG304 in
order to replace frequency 860.7375 MHz as part of the 800 MHz rebanding process.3 Beaumont now
seeks to expand its operation on this frequency by adding this frequency to two new sites on Beaumont’s
public safety trunked station WPMJ575.4
3. To facilitate the licensing of 800 MHz spectrum vacated by Sprint as part of 800 MHz
rebanding, the Bureau released a Public Notice announcing application and licensing procedures for the
channels relinquished by Sprint in the 809-809.5/854-854.5 MHz Band.5 The Bureau noted that Sprint-
vacated channels would become available for licensing to public safety in multiple stages and that Sprint
initiated the process for making frequency 854.3625 MHz available in non-border NPSPAC regions in
the first stage.6 The Bureau also advised licensees to consult the Vacated Channel Search Engine

1 The system is to be shared by the Cities of Port Neches, Port Arthur, and Beaumont, as well as Jefferson and
Hardin Counties, Texas.
2 See license WPMG304.
3 See FCC File No. 0003921428 (Aug. 4, 2009).
4 FCC File No. 0004431564 at Waiver Request (filed Oct. 26, 2010 amended Dec. 3, 2010 amended June 30, 2011).
5 See Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau Announces Application and Licensing Procedures for Channels
Relinquished by Sprint Nextel Corporation in the 809-809.5/854-854.5 MHz Band, Public Notice, 23 FCC Rcd
18343 (PSHSB 2008) (Initial Interleaved Public Notice).
6 Id. at Table 1.
Federal Communications Commission DA 11-1234
(VCSE) to identify specific channels that are available for licensing.7 According to the VCSE, however,
frequency 854.3625 MHz is unavailable for licensing in the Beaumont area. Thus, Beaumont requires a
waiver to expand its operations on this frequency.
4. In support of its waiver request, Beaumont states that it has been engaged in efforts to
bring various jurisdictions in Jefferson County into a shared regional radio system “to resolve
shortcomings in the capacity and coverage of their current system.”8 Beaumont explains that “frequency,
854.3625, is the primary control channel for the expanded regional radio system that serves all of
Jefferson and Hardin counties.”9 Beaumont states that this frequency “is programmed into over 3,000
radios served by our system.”10 Beaumont states that “Police, Fire and EMS in both counties depend on
the regional radio system for Public Safety communications and need the expanded coverage.”11 Thus,
Beaumont claims, that “[n]o other frequency was able to be found in place of 854.3625 and even if one
somehow became available it would be an enormous burden and cost to have to reprogram all of our
subscriber radios.”12 Finally, Beaumont submits that it the Region 51 Regional Planning Committee
(RPC) approved Beaumont’s proposed use of this frequency as part of the expanded regional system and
“[i]f the waiver is granted the frequency is fully constructed and we will be able to activate it and make
use of it immediately.”13
5. To obtain a waiver of the Commission's rules, a petitioner must demonstrate either that:
(i) the underlying purpose of the rule(s) would not be served or would be frustrated by application to the
present case, and that a grant of the waiver would be in the public interest; or (ii) in view of unique or
unusual factual circumstances of the instant case, application of the rule(s) would be inequitable, unduly
burdensome, or contrary to the public interest, or the applicant has no reasonable alternative.14 We
conclude that Beaumont’s request should be granted under this waiver standard.
6. Specifically, we find that Beaumont has demonstrated a compelling need to expand its
operations on frequency 854.3625 MHz before the VCSE makes this channel available. Beaumont has
successfully retuned its existing license (WPMG304) to this frequency as part of band reconfiguration,
but it cannot expand its operations on WPMJ575 by adding new sites on the same frequency until the
Commission updates the VCSE. We believe that requiring Beaumont to delay its expansion would be
unduly burdensome and contrary to the public interest. Beaumont has demonstrated that it has no

7 Id. at 18343-44. The Bureau and the Wireless Telecommunications Bureau established the VCSE to help public
safety and critical infrastructure industry (CII) entities, frequency coordinators, and the public to identify specific
800 MHz channels in the Interleaved Band (809-815/854-860 MHz) that are available for licensing. See Public
Safety and Homeland Security Bureau and Wireless Telecommunications Bureau Establish New 800 MHz Vacates
Spectrum Channel Search Engine for Identifying Vacated Channels in the 800 MHz Interleaved Band that will be
Available for Licensing to Public Safety and Critical Infrastructure Industry Entities, WT Docket No. 02-55, Public
Notice, 23 FCC Rcd 16481 (PSHSB and WTB 2008).
8 Waiver Request at 1. Beaumont states that “[t]hese efforts have resulted in plans to deploy a new regional P25
network that will serve [Beaumont] as well as several neighboring jurisdictions (Hardin County, Jefferson County
and remaining cities within Jefferson County) with costs paid in part by Federal grant money.” Id.
9 Id.
10 Id.
11 Id.
12 Id.
13 Id. See Letter to Bart Bartkowiak, Chief Technology Officer, City of Beaumont from Doug Frankhouser,
NPSPAC Region 51, Chairman (Feb. 19, 2010).
14 47 C.F.R. §§ 1.925(b)(3)(i-ii).
Federal Communications Commission DA 11-1234
reasonable alternative to using this frequency because no Public Safety Pool frequency is available that
could be substituted for its control channel. Granting the requested waiver serves the public interest
because it will enable Beaumont to expand its regional shared simulcast system to meet immediate public
safety needs in Region 51. It will also have minimal impact on other public safety entities in Beaumont
that might have an interest in obtaining new channels given that Beaumont has already obtained Region
51 approval for its proposed sites. The waiver only applies to a single channel in a limited geographic
area, and this channel would be of limited utility to other public safety entities in any event because they
would have to protect Beaumont’s existing sites that already use the channel and the RPC has already
approved Beaumont’s use.
7. Based on the information before us, we find that Beaumont has satisfied the
Commission’s waiver criteria in support of its request for a waiver.15 Thus, we grant Beaumont’s request
to add the requested sites to station WPMJ575 on frequency 854.3625 MHz.16
8. Accordingly, IT IS ORDERED, pursuant to Section 4(i) of the Communications Act of
1934, as amended, 47 U.S.C. § 154(i), and Section 1.925 of the Commission’s rules, 47 C.F.R. § 1.925,
that the Waiver Requests filed by the City of Beaumont with respect to application FCC File No.
0004431564 IS GRANTED as noted herein.
9. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the Policy Division of the Public Safety and Homeland
Security Bureau SHALL PROCESS application FCC File No. 0004431564 in accordance with this
Order and the Commission’s rules.
Michael J. Wilhelm
Deputy Division Chief
Policy and Licensing Division
Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau

15 As a condition on Beaumont’s license for WPMJ575, Beaumont must provide Sprint 60 days notice prior to
commencing operations on any channel or channels specified under this authorization. Sprint must cease operation
on the channel specified in the notice by the intended date to the extent necessary to comply with the Commission’s
co-channel spacing requirements, after which Beaumont may activate the channel(s). Sprint established an email box
to receive these notifications at
16 Compare State of Minnesota, Order, 22 FCC Rcd 17485 (PSHSB 2007) (granting the State of Minnesota’s waiver
request to use a non-public safety frequency prior to Sprint vacating the frequency).
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Old 07-14-2014, 8:00 PM
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Because Beaumont/Jefferson County operates a legacy mixed-mode system, scanners have no problem following it. I used BCD996T scanners to gather the information posted above, and they worked great. Desense and front-end overload from cellular sites is still an issue, as with all scanners.
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Old 09-26-2014, 3:40 PM
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Default What do you know of the BCD436 In jefferson CO. ?

Originally Posted by motorola_otaku View Post
Because Beaumont/Jefferson County operates a legacy mixed-mode system, scanners have no problem following it. I used BCD996T scanners to gather the information posted above, and they worked great. Desense and front-end overload from cellular sites is still an issue, as with all scanners.
I want to upgrade my scanner to the 436. Someone on here stated it would not work in Jefferson Co. I was hoping I could get Orange Co, with the addition of Jeff., possible Hardin Co also. I move around in my work, so need something versatile. Thanks for reply, sorry for the delay. I was traveling with work and got busy. Thanks again.
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