Jefferson County Regional Radio System Help

[dupree617]

I have been working on, getting all of the information for the Hardin County portion of the network. I was wondering if there is anybody else, in the area working on this as while. If anybody had any advise on how best to do this. If anybody is working on the Jefferson County Portion of the network at all. I would live to be able to here and understand more about how it's working in Jefferson County. At any rate, talk to you all later and God bless you all.
Even though I'm new at posting on this website, I not new to the website though. I've been involved in police scanners for about 18 years at least now. Again God bless you all.

 

[rattlerbb01]

Well, I have been working the submissions coming in. I have looked at the license, WQMF313, and it has two unique sites in Hardin County, Silsbee and Bragg. They are both now reported as active with a control channel, but someone with a scanner capable of displaying the site numbers, or a scanner that is capable of connecting to software such as Unitrunker to listen to the sites and see what pops up.

Another interesting note to that license is that they licensed the same eight frequencies at all four Jefferson Co. towers: 851.2750, 851.5375, 851.7875, 852.2875, 853.7375, 855.4875, 855.9875, and 856.2375. It is what you would see with a simulcast system, but I don't think 8 frequencies will cut it with the amount of traffic in that metropolitan area. I am digging a little as I type, so if I find anything online, I will post back here.

 

[rattlerbb01]

Ahhh, okay. I have updated the system name in the RR database to reflect the proper name of the system. Also, the Beaumont, Port Neches, Winnie, and West Beaumont sites will become a 21 channel, 4 site countywide simulcast. It would appear that they are still operating in mixed mode at the present time under 4.1 SmartZone technology, with two additional IR sites in Bragg and Silsbee. They have basically pooled all their frequencies and modified the sites and shuffled frequencies. Link: http://www.hctx.net/CmpDocuments/100/800 Info/PNEM Region 51 Misc.pdf

 

[rattlerbb01]

When it is officially active, which it may already be, this will be the configuration:

Jefferson County 4 site simulcast:
851.2750
851.5375
851.7875
851.9000
851.9875
852.2625
852.2875
852.7000
853.2575
853.5500
853.7125
853.7375
853.8125
854.3375
854.3625
855.4875
855.9875
856.2375
858.5125
858.7375
859.7375

Silsbee
856.7125
857.7125
858.7125
859.2625
859.7125

Bragg
851.2500
852.1250
853.5000
854.3875
855.9625

 

[motorola_otaku]

Okay, here's what I was able to grab off the Beaumont central site, control channel 854.3625:

4752 - law enforcement, discussion of cameras
4720 - law enforcement, heard called "Channel C" once, unit 262 heard, address of "2700 block 9th"
21712 (P25) - Hardin County SO
31440 (P25) - ditch diggers, possible Jefferson County maintenance or roads
624 - someone's water utilities
5552 - new public works talkgroup
5104 - Confirmed Port Arthur FD Dispatch. Acadian is their EMS provider. Uses +7 ststus bit for dispatch.
4668 - possible Port Arthur PD, heard unit 262
25624 (P25) - sounds like a jail, talk of transports
4560 - law enforcement dispatch, heard traffic stop @ 4200 blk. Wilson
5808 - public works or ISD?
4592 - law enforcement, possible ISD PD (talk of kids fighting on bus)
22256 (P25) - law enforcement, poss. parking enforcement
4912 - Confirmed Groves FD dispatch. Acadian provides EMS.
38992 - Confirmed Lumberton PD Ch. 2
38768 (P25) - Unknown, didn't hear much
11184 - public works, new talkgroup?
5040 - heard a couple of keyups.

I did not hear fire dispatches from Nederland, Port Neches, or Water District 10. All were primary users of ShareNet. I'm sure they're there, I just didn't catch them. Additionally I did not hear any patching between VHF fire channels in Hardin County (Lumberton, Batson, and one of the ESDs specifically) and this system.

I ran a control channel search from 851.0 to 860.9875 and heard neither the West Beaumont or Winnie site control channels where I could previously hear them. Conversely I didn't hear any new A93A control channels. I did drive past the Winnie site on 73 near Boondocks Road and saw techs working on it.

 

[dupree617]

Jefferspn County Regional Radio System

I have found addition information about Hardin County. The Silsbee Tower is off of Hwy 327. The tower was first use by the radio station that use to be there.
For right now only the local law enforcement have the 800 Mhz radios. These radios were bought through a grant (I believe a US grant at that). There XTL2500 and XTS2500 I believe. These local law enforcement agencies still have the older VHF radios in there patrol cars, for the purpose of interoperability.
I have a fairly good idea of the talkgroups in the Hardin County Area. I not mean giving them out on a one on one basis. I just feel like putting them all out there for everybody to have. Here are the one's that I do fell comfortable with.
Hardin Co SO Patrol 1 Dec 21712
Hardin Co SO Patrol 2 Dec 38448
Hardin Co SO Patrol 3 Dec 9904 (Alalog)
Hardin Co Constables Dec 38608
Hardin Co Jail Dec 38576
Silsbee PD 1 Dec 39056
Lumberton PD Dec 38992
Kountze PD Dec 38928
Sour Lake PD Dec 39120
Hardin Co Tac 1 38640
Hardin Co-Wide Dec 38704
Hardin County Emergency Management Dec 38736
Hardin co Fire Com Dec 38544 (Not yet in use)
Silsbee VFD Dec 39312 (Not yet in use)
Lumberton Fire/EMS Dec 39280 (Not yet in use)
Kountze VFD Dec 39248 (Not yet in use)
Sour Lake VFD Dec 39344 (Not yet in use)
Radio Service Dec 38768

 

[N5AMS]

ok trying to make sure i have the rebanded part correct before my possible trip to louisiana next month i have lower 851.025 upper 854.000 step 25.0 offset 440 for slot 1

lower 851.0125 upper 868.9875 step 25.0 offset 0 for slot 2 if this is wrong please let me know

 

[dupree617]

I may make another trip, to check the Bragg tower out. I will try to a less go to as far as Kountze. To try to get a strong enough signal to check it. Right now it seems to be down yet again.
This is what little that I can get of mid-county.
4560 Law Dispatch
4656 Ch. B
4848 Law Dispatch
The reminder of what I have is already showed.

 

[rattlerbb01]

ok trying to make sure i have the rebanded part correct before my possible trip to louisiana next month i have lower 851.025 upper 854.000 step 25.0 offset 440 for slot 1

lower 851.0125 upper 868.9875 step 25.0 offset 0 for slot 2 if this is wrong please let me know

I don't know how the Uniden band plans work, but my setup in PSR600 is:

Table 1 Lo 440 Hi 559 Offset 440 Base 851.0250 Step 25.0
Table 2 Lo 000 Hi 719 Offset 000 Base 851.0125 Step 25.0

It has worked for every rebanded system I have encountered so far.

 

[hiegtx]

ok trying to make sure i have the rebanded part correct before my possible trip to louisiana next month i have lower 851.025 upper 854.000 step 25.0 offset 440 for slot 1

lower 851.0125 upper 868.9875 step 25.0 offset 0 for slot 2 if this is wrong please let me know

That appears correct, at first glance.

You can find an example of the correct custom band plan settings for Uniden scanners near the bottom of this page. (This is from the 246T rebanding firmware update, but the band plan is the same for all of the Uniden scanners.) If needed, links to the various Uniden rebanding firmware updates can be found here.

 

[motorola_otaku]

Try 4976 for Nederland Fire. It's definitely a Fire/EMS talkgroup, and I'm pretty sure I heard "Nederland to xxx" come across.

 

[motorola_otaku]

The separate site listings for Winnie and West Beaumont can be deleted; I was out there again yesterday and the tower site on Highway 73 at Boondocks is broadcasting the 854.3625 control channel. So the simulcast is definitely in place and operational.

Someone with Trunker capability needs to confirm this, but I'm not seeing any 25 kHz-spaced voice channel frequencies come up anymore (851.9, 852.7, 853.55, etc.) If they have been removed from the system then you won't need a rebanding-capable scanner to monitor the simulcast anymore. It makes sense that they would remove them, since the former ShareNet agencies came on board pretty quickly and may well have not had time or money to upgrade their existing radio fleets for rebanding capability.

 

[dupree617]

Thank you for your information. I have really have no say in changing the tower sites. But I do hope that the needed changes will happen. Also thank you for the Nederland Fire possibly being on 4976.

 

[dupree617]

Actually I show it to be Nederland EMS. I do know that 5232 is some kind of Fire/EMS Dispatch, Somewhere in mid-county. I'm guessing Pt. Neches Fire or Water District 10 VFD.

 

[rattlerbb01]

The separate site listings for Winnie and West Beaumont can be deleted; I was out there again yesterday and the tower site on Highway 73 at Boondocks is broadcasting the 854.3625 control channel. So the simulcast is definitely in place and operational.

Someone with Trunker capability needs to confirm this, but I'm not seeing any 25 kHz-spaced voice channel frequencies come up anymore (851.9, 852.7, 853.55, etc.) If they have been removed from the system then you won't need a rebanding-capable scanner to monitor the simulcast anymore. It makes sense that they would remove them, since the former ShareNet agencies came on board pretty quickly and may well have not had time or money to upgrade their existing radio fleets for rebanding capability.

Did you input the bandplan for a rebanded system correctly? I am not sure which scanner you are using, but I had the same problem monitoring the Caddo Parish trunk after rebanding. Come to find out, I had the tables in the wrong order. If you have a GRE, try this:

Table 1 Lo 440 Hi 559 Offset 440 Base 851.025 Step 25
Table 2 Lo 000 Hi 719 Offset 000 Base 851.0125 Step 25

If it is a case of the rebanded NPSPAC frequencies actually being not used, submit and I will update the simulcast accordingly.

 

[motorola_otaku]

Did you input the bandplan for a rebanded system correctly? *snip*

Si. Both the 996T mobiles and the 396XT are correctly set up with rebanding tables in place. I've seen how they behave when not correctly set up for rebanding (hopping back and forth between the CC and an incorrect voice channel) and that's definitely not what's going on.

4976 is Nederland FD Dispatch and it's analog, not digital as someone submitted. Way it works is, all the municipalities down there use Acadian EMS but dispatch their calls on their fire talkgroups. They also use multi-select to light up two talkgroups at once when dispatching a call, and I've seen status bits come up as well, possibly for radio or station alerting. The old paging channel on 154.25 has likewise fallen silent.

5040 is confirmed Port Neches fire dispatch. I haven't seen 5232 pop up but I'll give it a listen next time I'm out that way.

 

[dupree617]

Thank you very much for your work...

 

[dupree617]

I thank the person who added the new information. It is what I have been thinking for a while now as while. I would like to add this information to this page. These are only guesses that I've be working on here lately. There simply based on a pattern that I've notice.
Me writing this doesn't make it a fact. Nor do I recall hearing anything from them accept for 5232 Dec. For I'm guessing is Water District 10 Volunteer Fire Department Ch. 1 Dispatch.
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Groves Fire 2 4944 Dec
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Nederland Fire 2 5008 Dec
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Port Neches Fire 2 5072 Dec
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Port Arthur Fire 2 5136 Dec
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Port Arthur Fire 3 5168 Dec
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Port Arthur Fire 4 5200 Dec
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Water District 10 VFD Dispatch 5232 Dec
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Water District 10 VFD Ch.2 5264 Dec

 

[rattlerbb01]

I thank the person who added the new information. It is what I have been thinking for a while now as while. I would like to add this information to this page. These are only guesses that I've be working on here lately. There simply based on a pattern that I've notice.
Me writing this doesn't make it a fact. Nor do I recall hearing anything from them accept for 5232 Dec. For I'm guessing is Water District 10 Volunteer Fire Department Ch. 1 Dispatch.
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Description: TG ID:
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Groves Fire 2 4944 Dec
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Nederland Fire 2 5008 Dec
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Port Neches Fire 2 5072 Dec
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Port Arthur Fire 2 5136 Dec
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Port Arthur Fire 3 5168 Dec
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Port Arthur Fire 4 5200 Dec
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Water District 10 VFD Dispatch 5232 Dec
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Water District 10 VFD Ch.2 5264 Dec

That looks like it would make sense. However, we can only add confirmed information to the database. If you feel confident about any or all of these talkgroups being used in the above manner, please go to the Jefferson County RRS database page and submit them from there, so that you get credit for the submission. I could add them straight from here, but A) you said they are guesses, and B) you wouldn't get credit. One thing I do, when you have lesser used talkgroups like fire tacs, is lock out all the police and public works activity, and scan only the suspected talkgroups, plus the fire dispatch groups. That way when somebody says "1201 to 1202, go to TAC 3" you can follow them over to TAC 3.

 

[dupree617]

Sounds good to me. I just wanted to get the information out to you. From North of Silsbee, the Beaumont Tower is in and out. So I have to be really lucky. I do like your advise. Which will work out great sense I have Three Pro 106's and one Pro 2006. Thank you for your time.