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Old 07-14-2014, 1:51 PM
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Yea. Midland so is on ops two for now. Range seems shorter. I still pick up in odessa on and astro saber iii. As far as ector goes they are on the regional system now. I never hear them on the p25 conventional. Guy I know is so reserve and said they all are on the trunked system. I have scanned the control channel and logged for some time. Yea the rescue is encrypted amongst other channels. Soon everyone will be encrypted. I figure lawsuits will come eventually.
One day, hopefully, the transparency of government entities and the public's right to know will be echoed in the halls of the U.S. Supreme Court. Of course, who am I kidding? With Homeland Insecurity, all bets are off.

Midland/Odessa has a rather unique situation where the community has recently experienced growth spurts from the oil industry. Hence, I believe crime & wrecks have skyrocketed. This comes with increased population in some cases.

Houston, Texas was faced with a simular situation of making their LE dispatch channels in the clear. They allowed for a general government layer for those who don't have Phase II scanners.
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One day, hopefully, the transparency of government entities and the public's right to know will be echoed in the halls of the U.S. Supreme Court. Of course, who am I kidding? With Homeland Insecurity, all bets are off.

Midland/Odessa has a rather unique situation where the community has recently experienced growth spurts from the oil industry. Hence, I believe crime & wrecks have skyrocketed. This comes with increased population in some cases.

Houston, Texas was faced with a simular situation of making their LE dispatch channels in the clear. They allowed for a general government layer for those who don't have Phase II scanners.
You're right about the increase in wrecks around here. The fatality incidences have really increased, with 90% of them involving big oil field trucks or the big water tankers. I live just off FM1788, and the big rigs come down through there like they were in the Indy 500. Ditto on the dirt road where I live. I'm right across from an oil field and those water tankers come down my road at 55-60 mph, and it's a 15 mph speed zone. S.O. is just too busy to worry with it.

This weekend I was able to program Midland S.O.'s #2 ch. in my scanner and I'm hearing them again. I'm not sure what frequency to use for Ector S.O.

Just before I left the house I heard a serious mva just into Martin Co. where Martin and Midland both responded. An 18-wheeler rear-ended a small car, causing the car to roll, ejecting the driver and passenger who weren't belted in. I didn't hear the medical report as I was already headed out the door by then.
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I'm not sure what frequency to use for Ector S.O.
Ector S.O. uses the Permian Basin Regional TRS.
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Ector S.O. uses the Permian Basin Regional TRS.
I saw that. And when I scrolled down to Ector Co., it shows the talk groups, etc., but how do you find the frequency to enter into your scanner for each of those groups? It doesn't show the frequencies...at least that I could see.
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Look at the system frequencies on the page. There are two sites in Odessa to program into your scanner. Hopefully you have a digital trunking scanner.
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Look at the system frequencies on the page. There are two sites in Odessa to program into your scanner. Hopefully you have a digital trunking scanner.
I looked at that. The frequencies they show for Odessa are OPD's digital trunk. All I saw for Ector Co. is under the heading DEC, the number 175 and 176. I don't know what that means. They're getting way ahead of me with all this new stuff! Whatever happened to good ol' 37.180??
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From the sounds of it, you do not have a digital trunking scanner that is needed to monitor this system.
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From the sounds of it, you do not have a digital trunking scanner that is needed to monitor this system.
I have two digital scanners: an RS Pro2096 and a Pro197.
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Okay, on the 197, create a new system and add the frequencies for the two Odessa sites. Next, add the talk groups you wish to monitor. If you need more help, send me an email and I'll walk you through the process.
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Okay, on the 197, create a new system and add the frequencies for the two Odessa sites. Next, add the talk groups you wish to monitor. If you need more help, send me an email and I'll walk you through the process.
The 197 was programmed by a friend at one of the TV stations. I don't have my own computer, and I can't see how to program it manually. I was able to manually enter the Midland S.O. channel o.k. but not knowing the frequenices I couldn't do Ector County's.
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Did not see in forums, but update on this to what KE5PL was saying. Not sure what all was done, but MCSO did go to the System Network. They encrypted their transmissions on it though. Unknown if MCSO changed frequency as stated before for VHF, but in essence, to the best of my knowledge, MCSO is DEAD for anyone who wants to listen, maybe having encrypted, but I could be wrong. I think I read someplace they simulcast with ADP ecnryption. If on their VHF system still, unknown. I no longer hear anything from them on frequencies in this database.

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Did not see in forums, but update on this to what KE5PL was saying. Not sure what all was done, but MCSO did go to the System Network. They encrypted their transmissions on it though. Unknown if MCSO changed frequency as stated before for VHF, but in essence, to the best of my knowledge, MCSO is DEAD for anyone who wants to listen, maybe having encrypted, but I could be wrong. I think I read someplace they simulcast with ADP ecnryption. If on their VHF system still, unknown. I no longer hear anything from them on frequencies in this database.
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In regards to what "rn1nduk1" said, from what ive heard from some public safety officials, I believe that Midland SO has gone fully encrypted as of recently. Every now and then I am still able to pick up sporadic traffic on Ops 2 but never more than one transmission, definitely not a full conversation anyways.

On a different note, I know that our neighbors in Martin county for example have made the switch over to the Permian Basin Regional Interop Network for their primary dispatch channels. Also i have put hands on a Motorola XTL5000 Radio with the Interop Network programmed into one of the zones, and there a TON of talk groups currently in use but none are correctly labeled or identified on RadioReference's database. Does anyone have a solid fleet map or list of the correct talk groups for the system?

I would be interested to see if anyone has a list from the RAC (regional advisory council) detailing the system..

Lastly, I would like to add for those interested anyways, the City Of Midland's 800mhz EDACS system, and as far as I can tell both Midland PD and Midland FD have NOT gone encrypted.. PLEASE correct me if im wrong here, but rumor has it they will encrypt some talk groups but ive also heard rumors that ALL of the Public Safety system for the city will go to using an encryption once the Phase-II system is implemented, however time will tell.
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Yes. Midland so went adp encryption. Do not know about Martin and if encrypted. We should probably start a different thread title for the system. Midland is supposed to go phase II but not known when and what will be encrypted. Overall, I think the day of scanner enthusiasts will end in near future with everyone encrypting stuff. I do not know who has a talk group list for the trunking system. However, I would reasonable think an open records request may be able to get it if worded properly, asking solely for a list, as well all know they will not disclose anything about encryption.
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In regards to what "rn1nduk1" said, from what ive heard from some public safety officials, I believe that Midland SO has gone fully encrypted as of recently. Every now and then I am still able to pick up sporadic traffic on Ops 2 but never more than one transmission, definitely not a full conversation anyways.

On a different note, I know that our neighbors in Martin county for example have made the switch over to the Permian Basin Regional Interop Network for their primary dispatch channels. Also i have put hands on a Motorola XTL5000 Radio with the Interop Network programmed into one of the zones, and there a TON of talk groups currently in use but none are correctly labeled or identified on RadioReference's database. Does anyone have a solid fleet map or list of the correct talk groups for the system?

I would be interested to see if anyone has a list from the RAC (regional advisory council) detailing the system..

Lastly, I would like to add for those interested anyways, the City Of Midland's 800mhz EDACS system, and as far as I can tell both Midland PD and Midland FD have NOT gone encrypted.. PLEASE correct me if im wrong here, but rumor has it they will encrypt some talk groups but ive also heard rumors that ALL of the Public Safety system for the city will go to using an encryption once the Phase-II system is implemented, however time will tell.
Here in Waco, our wonderful Waco PD Public Information officer presented me with the necessary letter/documentation in order to obtain the radio parameters/fleet maps. I don't know where this would be sent in the Midland-Odessa area since this system is fairly large.

The wording might need some adjustments, but the meat of the letter might help define this system better. I believe that our elected officials forget, "they work for us." If anyone would like a copy of this letter/email, I would be happy to send it via PM.

During the Twin Peaks incident, I did not detect any encryption being used. No officers were seriously injured or killed. The PIO stated that he wanted the public to listen unless it was a necessary need for encryption like Vice/Narcotics or SWAT.

I have lived in the Midland-Odessa area and know of the LE corruption there. It has been rampant for many years, particularly Ector County. Some LE agencies need to throw the encryption switch to hide their misadventures. Just ask Barry Cooper.
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I have it on good authority that you can thank the media (Channel 9 was a big problem) for the SO going encrypted. In the olden days, the media would send out a reporter based on a tip or what they heard on the scanner. In the rush to be the first, it is now "scanner traffic reports an armed barricaded subject at xxx address, and deputies are approaching the house now" which doesn't make the deputies job any easier. Now, from the sterile comfort of the newsroom, and constantly changing cub reporters on their way to the next market (that couldn't find the intersection of 1130N and 60E) it is easier to be the first to sensationalize "breaking news" based on "scanner traffic". Then there are the online scanner feeds and apps for that. My point, the bad guy now has realtime access to sensitive intel. Yes, some incidents can be moved off of the dispatch channel, but some are slow to take the initiative that make that move. And how slow of a news day is it when a Javelin (sic) was shot and killed (hey, that's what the crawl said!) is the top story of the day? Mr. Moderator, please cross post this to the Rant forum. Encrypted or not, a lot of dispatch traffic has gone to mobile CAD. I had to wonder if the Firehouse Subs burglars had a scanner app on their iphone.
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I have it on good authority that you can thank the media (Channel 9 was a big problem) for the SO going encrypted. In the olden days, the media would send out a reporter based on a tip or what they heard on the scanner. In the rush to be the first, it is now "scanner traffic reports an armed barricaded subject at xxx address, and deputies are approaching the house now" which doesn't make the deputies job any easier. Now, from the sterile comfort of the newsroom, and constantly changing cub reporters on their way to the next market (that couldn't find the intersection of 1130N and 60E) it is easier to be the first to sensationalize "breaking news" based on "scanner traffic". Then there are the online scanner feeds and apps for that. My point, the bad guy now has realtime access to sensitive intel. Yes, some incidents can be moved off of the dispatch channel, but some are slow to take the initiative that make that move. And how slow of a news day is it when a Javelin (sic) was shot and killed (hey, that's what the crawl said!) is the top story of the day? Mr. Moderator, please cross post this to the Rant forum. Encrypted or not, a lot of dispatch traffic has gone to mobile CAD. I had to wonder if the Firehouse Subs burglars had a scanner app on their iphone.
I have to agree with you. Some of our news reporters seem to be brainless. But sometimes they go to the other extreme! Numerous times I've heard this or that incident occur in Midland or Odessa and just happen to be talking to a friend at one of the stations at the time and ask, "Did you hear that?" If they did, fine, if not I'd tell them what happened and where. But on the next newscast they might not even run the story, so I'd ask my friend why not. The response would be, "OPD, etc., wouldn't confirm that the incident occurred, so we couldn't use it." Argggggh! It seems that is the policy for all three stations. If it's not confirmed, it didn't happen. But years ago I called a friend who worked at Ch. 7 one night on an oilfield fatality in Andrews County. The night producer called Andrews S.O. and was informed that nothing was going on. I had given the reporter specific directions to the scene, but the producer took the S.O.'s word for it and didn't' run the story. However, 2 and 9 both ran the story with footage. When the then-seated news director found out that I had provided specific information, that producer was replaced.

The nice thing is that no one gets harassed about listening to a "police radio" in Odessa anymore. When the late Jess Carriker was chief, he got an ordinance passed that forbade the use of a "police receiver" in a motor vehicle inside the city. At that time OPD and SO were both on 37.180. A gentleman who was a Ham operator and had one of the old-time big Drake radios in his car happened to be stopped at the light at E. 8th and Grandview, back when that was at the east edge of town. His radio was capable of being tuned to hear 37.180 and the guy liked to listen. At that exact moment, though, an OPD unit had stopped at the light and when they answered their radio call they heard themselves over the guy's radio. He was pulled over. He explained that he was licensed by the FCC and showed him his ID card. They told them that they determined who was licensed. The radio was physically removed and smashed and he was arrested for "illegal use of a police receiver inside the City of Odessa." Needless to say the guy fought them and notified the FCC, who in turn warned OPD that they couldn't do that. But it went on for years. Now all we have to worry about is not hearing!
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Yea. I am sure NewsWest9 has alot to do with alot of things out here. I know a bank that explored filing federal charges on the station, but the OPD Public Relations is allegedly working with Newswest9 on a story they did to correct the record. I told people I know at the bank to file a federal complaint. The allegation would not make them exempt from 1st amendment, due to what they reported, and how they presented it.

But, prolly will never happen.
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