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Old 01-21-2007, 12:48 AM
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Exclamation Upgrade of HPD radios may wait 5 years

Upgrade of HPD radios may wait 5 years
Existing system doesn't directly connect officers with the county

Jan. 20, 2007, 10:18PM
By ROSANNA RUIZ
Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle

Five years after the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington made clear how important it was for local law enforcement and emergency responders to communicate in a disaster, the city of Houston remains outside a regional radio network of more than 500 agencies.

More than 10 years after city officials began talking about the need for "interoperability," a Houston police officer still cannot push his mike button and talk directly to patrol deputies at the Harris County Sheriff's Office. Instead, officers must rely on county dispatchers to send out the call. When county dispatchers are not monitoring that channel, a city dispatcher must contact his counterparts by phone.

Now, after a Department of Homeland Security report called the city's communication system a vulnerability in the event of a terrorist attack, city officials say it still may be five years before the admittedly outmoded radio system gets an upgrade.

"Ever since 9/11, the big concerns in connection with disaster management revolve around interoperability. If there is not a system in place that facilitates interoperability among various jurisdictions, then I don't think Houston is where it needs to be," said Phillip Lyons, a criminal justice associate professor at Sam Houston State University and director of its Texas Regional Center for Policing Innovation.

"We all realize that when something bad happens, you mobilize all of law enforcement regardless of agency type. If (agencies) can't communicate with the Houston Police Department, then you really can't count those people as being on board."

Steven Jones, executive director of the First Response Coalition, a nonprofit advocacy group that promotes for advanced communications systems for police, fire and other agencies called Houston's incompatibility with other local agencies "incredibly alarming."


White defends system
Mayor Bill White scoffed at the criticism, insisting the city remains well prepared for disasters. He noted that the city's radio system withstood Hurricane Rita when more than a million people evacuated.

''I think that there tends to be an overemphasis in Washington on hardware and an underemphasis on the planning and cooperation and ability to improvise by our community," White said.

But the fact remains, plans to upgrade the city's emergency communications system have moved at a molasses-like pace. Consider that Houston police have been able to communicate directly with the city's firefighters only since 2003.

By contrast, Harris County has continually upgraded its radio system after a $6 million consolidation in 1989. Through the end of 2005, the county had spent about $41 million on the system. About $13 million of that came from federal grants.

Today, some 500 area agencies and municipal departments, including the Texas Department of Public Safety, Coast Guard and the Port of Houston, are hooked up to the county's regional system.

The city has looked at the issue through two studies — in 2003 and another last year that cost about $725,000 in Homeland Security grants — which estimated that the upgrade would cost about $150 million.


Communication vital
As the terrorist attacks in New York City and Washington made emphatically clear, emergency response crews must be able to communicate with each other during disasters. In New York, commanders were unable to radio firefighters to direct them to evacuate the World Trade Center before the towers collapsed on Sept. 11, 2001.

By contrast, the emergency response at the Pentagon has been hailed as a model to emulate. The ability of first responders to communicate with one another under a unified command has been cited as a key success that day.

The Department of Homeland Security, in a recent report, said it considers systems interoperable if they can achieve "on-scene ... voice communication among all first responder agencies."

"We believe in a major calamity no one single entity can address what is happening," said Steven Jennings, Harris County's Information Technology chief information officer. "The key to the future of public safety is interoperability for people to communicate seamlessly with each other."


Finding the frequency
The county now operates on 800 MHz frequencies. The city uses 400 MHz.

In 2009, the Federal Communications Commission will set aside 700 MHz frequencies for emergency responders. For the county, that will mean building on its current system and hardware. The city, however, would be starting from square one.

City officials estimate the cost of achieving interoperability at about $150 million. About a quarter of that would be covered by bonds approved by voters last November. Federal funds and other sources would be needed for the remainder, the mayor said.

"If the public allows me to keep the job for the next three years, I do want to put in place a strategy and contracts and a financing plan to get us into a state-of-the-art public safety communications system," White said.

White cited three reasons for the delay in upgrading the city's radio system: The city avoided spending tens of millions on a "false start" before FCC emergency frequencies were made available; other emergency response needs were more pressing, such as training, equipment and personnel; and the overhaul would cost too much.

"It's simply a very large budget item," White said. The estimated cost "would be the same amount we spent on capital improvements, in either parks or libraries, for the entire city for a period of 15 years. These are large investments of money."

Former Councilmember Bruce Tatro suggested intimidation may have stymied efforts to upgrade the radio system.

''I think they saw the enormity of the issue and they said this will take a substantial network change," Tatro said. ''There was no concentration on small (steps) to solve it in the interim."


Electronic getaways
Although on different frequencies, Houston emergency personnel and others are able to talk to their county counterparts through the use of electronic gateways or patches. Those are specific channels made available to city and county dispatchers to connect the two agencies onto the same frequency.

"The gateways and patches can be characterized as interpreter devices," Jennings said, "where the city's 400 MHz system can talk to our 800 MHz system."

But, the system is not without its limitations.

''It's not the ideal system," said the First Response Coalition's Jones. ''Gateways are temporary solutions ... they do connect disparate systems and will, in fact, enable first responders to communicate with one another, but it's not instantaneous."


Accepting proposals
By late spring, the city will begin accepting proposals to build its system, said Dennis Storemski, director of Houston's office of public safety and homeland security.

"We do have radio communications with our partners in the region," Storemski said. "We can communicate ... once we get the new system we will have a more dynamic, more robust system."

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What about HFD?
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The upgrade would be 700 MHZ, and would at the least include all Police, EMS, and Fire within the City of Houston. But no one knows yet whether this will be a simulcast system, a smartzone system, or, like Travis County, a simulcast layer within a larger smartzone system (STARNET)
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I would think STARNET. It would require, however, that a new site be buit to handle the traffic load.
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I know the Uniden® BearTracker Base/Mobile Trunking Scanner picks up 700 Mhz.
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The CofH trunked system 2221 should survive rebanding in-tact. If the city wanted to move public safety to 700 - I could see them merging the old city trunk system into STARnet. The 700 mhz stuff would almost have to be P25 - and should cover both voice and data - allowing the city to get out paying for public cellular carrier CDPD for their mobile data services.

That's a big build-out though. Will the DHS funding still be there five years from now? Hmmm ...

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Question Hpd/hfd

can't the City of Houston add HPD/HFD to the existing trunck system? (Houston City Services System)


System Name: Houston City Services
Location: Houston, TX
County: Harris
System Type: Motorola Type II Smartnet
System Voice: Analog
Sysid: 2221
CT: 116.13
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Found this on the City of Houston web site.

TECHNOLOGY INITIATIVES
CUTTING COSTS, LIMITING WORKFORCE GROWTH, AND IMPROVING SERVICES THROUGH INFORMATION AND COMMUNICATIONS TECHNOLOGY

TECHNOLOGY IN HOUSTON
Under the direction of Mayor White, the Technology Steering Committee (TSC) and the City's Chief Information Officer (CIO), the City of Houston continues to use technology to reduce cost, limit growth to the workforce, improve services to citizens and employees, and reduce the risk of business disruptions and security breeches.

The following summarizes some of the major investments:

Migration from 450 MHz Radio System to 700 MHz by 2009 ($150 million)
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It would take buying truckloads of radios, more frequencies and repeaters, and most likely, a digital upgrade, cross patches between the new dispatch TGs and the UHF system for a year or two until every user had a 800 MHZ radio, and so on, and so on.......That is why we all know this is going to be a lengthy conversion once it starts, no matter whether they just upgrade the current COH trunk, add it to STARNET, or build their own 700 MHZ super system, or any combination of the above!!! Boy I am glad Houston scanning is just an occasional thing for me.
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They'll probably be XTSs, and you know how much those cost (I think $150 mil is a conservative estimate).
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Why not go 400 MHz Trunked? They already have the frequencies.
I know the FCC would like to auction them for more $$$, but other cities have done so, DC for example. And, the feds are using 380-420 MHz trunked systems.
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Why not go to a Opensky or Pro Voice radio system?
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Why not go to a Opensky or Pro Voice radio system?


1) Too expensive
2) Blind Wrecker Calls*

*In Houston, there are simply too many wrecker companies to do a rotation list. What they do is announce a request for a wrecker over the radio: "Need a wrecker...610 Eastbound near Galleria...Need a wrecker..." Your next question will probably be "why not give them the radios?". They are WAY too expensive to do this. The wrecker companies have already invested alot into getting STARNET radios so they can monitor HCSO for requests. This is probably the same reason why Montgomery County won't be going ProVoice anytime soon.

I don't know if you heard of STARNET, which is an analog, Motorola Type II system. I don't think a MACOM system surrounded by two or three Motorola systems is a very good idea. The main goal of improving Houston's systems is to allow them to communicate with Harris County SO, which is on STARNET. Read the rest of this thread, and a you'll see why a MACOM system will not work.
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Boy I am glad Houston scanning is just an occasional thing for me.
Hey...It's interesting!!!!!! Where else can you hear about major accidents with pin-ins, dozens of structure fires a day, and high-speed pursuits?

"BEEEP....BEEEP....BEEEP...WEARHOUSE ON FIRE, REPORT OF HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS...DISTRICT CHIEF 20, DISTRICT CHIEF 22, DISTRICT CHIEF 25, ENGINE 80, ENGINE 63, ENGINE 21, ENGINE 40, LADDER 50, LADDER 21, LADDER 33, SAFETY OFFICER 15, SAFETY OFFICER 41, SQUAD 88, MEDIC 70, AMBULANCE 55, HM UNIT 2022, HM UNIT 2021, PAGER 549...WESTHIEMER ROAD, NEAR WOOD...KEYMAP 401C...CHARLIE...TAC THREE..." (I made this up).

How would you NOT find this interesting???????????
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but on Pro Voice systems you can't listen to it with scanners!
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but on Pro Voice systems you can't listen to it with scanners!
Which is why it won't happen in Houston. Wreckers use scanners. BTW, The HFD stream on ScanCenTex is down again.
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will it happen in Harris county or in Montgomery County
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will it happen in Harris county or in Montgomery County
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I don't quite understand what you are saying here.
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I mean do you think Harris County and Montgomery County will go to the Pro Voice system one day?
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