randyf
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11K0F3EJN 16K0F3EJN can anyone tell me me what the difference is , both frequencies are classed as digital for two different fire depts i know that they are still broadcasting analog
BCD436HP/BCD536HP: 11K0F3EJN 16K0F3EJN
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kayn1n32008
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I believe those are both analogue designator.
11k is 2.5KHz deviation. Aka ‘narrowband’
16k is 5.0KHz deviation. Aka ‘wideband’
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mmckenna
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Types of radio emissions - Wikipedia
11K0F3E is the way you'll see it listed in the USA, narrow band FM voice. USA doesn't use the last 2 letters like the ITU does.
In Canada and apparently other ITU participating countries, the JN part means it's "commercial quality sound, non-multipexed".
If you can link to the department or database page, we might be able to provide more info. From those emission designators, it's FM analog, not digital.
11K0F3E is the way you'll see it listed in the USA, narrow band FM voice. USA doesn't use the last 2 letters like the ITU does.
In Canada and apparently other ITU participating countries, the JN part means it's "commercial quality sound, non-multipexed".
If you can link to the department or database page, we might be able to provide more info. From those emission designators, it's FM analog, not digital.
randyf
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From our database: https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?ctid=4310 Trent Hills
https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?ctid=4297 Quinte West
kayn1n32008
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Those all are a mix of analogue wideband and analogue narrowband.
In the first link there is some that look like they might be broadcast studio links. The one licensed to a welding shop is likely a crane remote control.
If you are hearing digital modulation, it is likely the license holders have not updated their licenses to reflect their transition to digital voice.
The bell media stuff I’m not sure what those designators are.
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randyf
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no digital yet TAFL Licence Details this info here says lmr digital
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The link did not show anything. Can you post the license holder name so I can search myself?
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randyf
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trent hills fire dept
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It shows as analogue
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randyf
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they are using 155.6700It shows as analogue
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randyf
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TAFL Licence DetailsAnalogue as well
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Can you screen shot it? When I open the link it does not show anything. It just says ‘province parameter not set’ or something similar
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mmckenna
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It's showing 16K0F3EJN but says "LMR-Digital". So, you can probably chalk this one up to a database error.
Not uncommon. the 16K0F3E says it's analog, wide deviation.
But the "LMR-Digital" says otherwise. Since the emission designator is showing analog, it's anyones guess.
Not uncommon. the 16K0F3E says it's analog, wide deviation.
But the "LMR-Digital" says otherwise. Since the emission designator is showing analog, it's anyones guess.
randyf
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Ah okay , this years budget has allowed $20,000 for new radios for three halls and $ 15,000 for Public Works makes me think maybe they're going DMR.
$20k doesn't buy you much for radios these days, given the going rate of a TRBO portable is around $800 to $1000.... So $20k definitely isn't upgrading 3 halls. They might be doing it like our department did.... bought them in phases over different fiscal years to spread the price out. For us to upgrade 3 stations that was around 80 portables and we did it over about a 2 year span. So now we are basically ready for digital with the exception of our repeaters and dispatch consoles.
kayn1n32008
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One would need to dig into the effective dates on licenses to see if they are adding/changing emissions on what they are licensed for.
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randyf
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thanks for the input !!!!
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It could be digital mainly but still have analog paging on it?
The record may not be in error, they may have to keep the emission type with the widest bandwidth used, in this case analog.
If we could see the records for Ontario Fleetnet it might show 11K bandwidth for analog users, even though digital users e.g. OPP are using less (~8K for Astro25).
Dave
The record may not be in error, they may have to keep the emission type with the widest bandwidth used, in this case analog.
If we could see the records for Ontario Fleetnet it might show 11K bandwidth for analog users, even though digital users e.g. OPP are using less (~8K for Astro25).
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